Bike weight difference
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capulin overdrive
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If you're having trouble on hardpack like the parking lot, it might help a little.
But sometimes it's just flat out tough in good snow.
So, my 2 cents is that it probably won't help very much.
Have you got the grab strap that some guys put on that goes over the back of the seat?
But sometimes it's just flat out tough in good snow.
So, my 2 cents is that it probably won't help very much.
Have you got the grab strap that some guys put on that goes over the back of the seat?
It makes a difference... I always find the killer part of dropping your bike in snow is if you are not on something steep it can be a hassle...... So my answer is stay int he steep stuff
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DenverSnowBike
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In my opinion, it's huge!
Think of it like weightlifting...if you can barely put up 200#s bench pressing, then throw another 25#s on there...it makes it that much harder!
I know I've fallen off and literally had to press the bike back up...it's not the easiest task.
Think of it like weightlifting...if you can barely put up 200#s bench pressing, then throw another 25#s on there...it makes it that much harder!
I know I've fallen off and literally had to press the bike back up...it's not the easiest task.
Im used to flipping my YZ450 up out of the snow. I switched bikes with my buddy who runs a 300 ktm, again, 20-25# lighter. It felt SO much easier to lift. especially since the bike weight aspect is all taller. Another buddy has a 16ktm with a yeti. that thing is like throwing around a toy compared to a TS setup. its pretty wild what 40# and a lighter base bike does for you.
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capulin overdrive
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It makes a difference... I always find the killer part of dropping your bike in snow is if you are not on something steep it can be a hassle...... So my answer is stay int he steep stuff
Same for skiing, if it's steep enough, you're almost standing already!
FYI the new 17 450sx is same weight as a 2016 300.i have both.
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capulin overdrive
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Might as well go all the way and put a Yeti on the 300, then you be as light as you could get.
This is what happens.. I was the first person in my group... Then if their are dirt bikers they ride and immediately sell 80 percent of the time... Selling my turboed 2014 sled this year
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I love the light weight and sound of the 2 strokes but keep in mind the carb 2 strokes uses more fuel than the FI 450's so you will have more weight from the extra fuel you carry.
Try to resist buying a big tank and keep more fuel in the back and as low as possible. The main tank is the highest point on the bike and having the weight up high will make it harder to pick up and make the front feel heavy.
Try to resist buying a big tank and keep more fuel in the back and as low as possible. The main tank is the highest point on the bike and having the weight up high will make it harder to pick up and make the front feel heavy.
A couple of the other guys rode my 2004 wr450 in Island Park. The consensus was not enough snap, however that year WR was 38 hp. I am looking for 60 hp and lighter weight, so open to suggestions. It would be nice not to be changing oil in the trailer after a hard day of riding, but I do like 4 strokes.
the 12.5-15 ktm xc and SX bikes have proven to be pretty solid snowbikes. Depending on you budget the 16+ bikes are just a bit lighter and a tiny bit more power. and the e-start is nice. Just the most spendy bikes on the market. The 14+ YZ's are awesome in the snow and make great broad power and are a lot cheaper then a ktm. But, kick start only, so depends what matters to you. I think really any modern moto bike will leave you MUCH happier then you were with the older setup.
Fuelie 450's are also really simple to setup relative to a 300 so if your not a big tinkerer, definately the way to go.
Fuelie 450's are also really simple to setup relative to a 300 so if your not a big tinkerer, definately the way to go.
Agreed there is lot to be said for fuel Injection ease... But you can't pry my 2 stroke out of my hands... Just to much fun
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capulin overdrive
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For 2017 KTM, the 450 XC-F weights 1.6lbs more than the 2stroke 300 XC. And the 450SX weights 1.3lbs more than the lightest 2stoke 300 XCW.
So 2stroke may feel lighter, and many of us still love them. But weight savings ain't there like it used to be.
Granted the 2stroke have kick and e-start, so a little more weight if you added kick to the 4stroke. But still very ballpark.
So 2stroke may feel lighter, and many of us still love them. But weight savings ain't there like it used to be.
Granted the 2stroke have kick and e-start, so a little more weight if you added kick to the 4stroke. But still very ballpark.
Feel lighter is the key word... What they really weigh does not matter... That 2016 450 sx is the lightest feeling 4 banger I have felt to date though... Now if you have a problem with the fuel injection in the bush that sucks... A carb.... Much easier to fix.. still you like 2 strokes get one if you like 4 get one... I think that is the most important...
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yes and a Factory edition SX 450 is lighter than the 16 XC300
TO ANSWER THAT...........UH
I left my wooped 03 wr450 141" x 2.5" bike for a fuelie KTM with 121 2.5" track. Road the same last spring, was good and easier to lift than my wr. A 2 stroke bike has in most cases a lot lower center of gravity than the 4 strokes............so even at the same weight the agility factor and lifting weight will be lower with a 2 stroke. I have the 2 stroke with kit also...........problem is early season deep powder days my 4 strokes have out performed the 2 stroke in the DEEP SNOW.
If somebody made an adequate 2 stroke I would own one, the mods you have to make to a 300 or old 500's just doesn't suit me.
I just ordered a new hoist scale and will check here in a month the weights with old bikes vs new bike and two strokes. At 67 I don't pick them up off flat ground. I have some great younger friends I ride with, they have always eventually come back to help.
I left my wooped 03 wr450 141" x 2.5" bike for a fuelie KTM with 121 2.5" track. Road the same last spring, was good and easier to lift than my wr. A 2 stroke bike has in most cases a lot lower center of gravity than the 4 strokes............so even at the same weight the agility factor and lifting weight will be lower with a 2 stroke. I have the 2 stroke with kit also...........problem is early season deep powder days my 4 strokes have out performed the 2 stroke in the DEEP SNOW.
If somebody made an adequate 2 stroke I would own one, the mods you have to make to a 300 or old 500's just doesn't suit me.
I just ordered a new hoist scale and will check here in a month the weights with old bikes vs new bike and two strokes. At 67 I don't pick them up off flat ground. I have some great younger friends I ride with, they have always eventually come back to help.
I don't want to spend the money for a 2017 KTM450, so think I will start looking for a 13 or 14. Which model should I be looking for? I do have good friends that come back and help me out when needed, but being the only TS rider in a group of mountain sleds is harder.
