Best Video This Year?
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i agree with jorli that its crazy how unwilling snowmobile companies are to support the film industry within the sport. i love sled films, i think the highest quality comes from 509 and jorli, though everyone clearly has their little niche for instance boondockers and krazy canadian really had the feel of just some friends goin out riding that is all over the snowboard industry, thunderstruck and mountain mod mania are big sleds doin insane chutes, and there are all the jumping and boondocking films too.
i would love to see red bull give snowmobiling the treatment it gave snowboarding and mountain biking with the art of flight and where the trail ends, big movies with the story of travelling around the world to expand the sport.
i would also love to see something similar to the rock climbing movies from reel rock where its really a story of people within the sport, its really as much about the journey of the athletes as it is about what they are doing.
and finally i would love to see something like the movie life cycles a mountain biking movie that was totally unique and for my money the best extreme sports film ever made its about the sport itself, told through the journey of the bike
i would love to see red bull give snowmobiling the treatment it gave snowboarding and mountain biking with the art of flight and where the trail ends, big movies with the story of travelling around the world to expand the sport.
i would also love to see something similar to the rock climbing movies from reel rock where its really a story of people within the sport, its really as much about the journey of the athletes as it is about what they are doing.
and finally i would love to see something like the movie life cycles a mountain biking movie that was totally unique and for my money the best extreme sports film ever made its about the sport itself, told through the journey of the bike
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The down turned economy plays an even bigger role for large scale companies in the industry, not just film companies. Advertising dollars are smaller and tighter than ever, with that said there is money out there. The numbers that are being asked to be a part of a film are astronomical. After all, the whole point of being a supporting part of a video from a business standpoint is the advertising side of things. If you cant reach even a quarter of the people you can with other advertising why would anybody invest? Makes no sense, I can reach hundreds of thousands if not a million prospective customers with 5k in online/mag ads, but to put the same money into a film, there would be what, 10k copies sold?? Not saying this can't change or won't change....but make it appealing for us. Why would I essentially waste money to invest in a flick when the producers all just b*tch about the industry and consistently ask for more, or bash the other films out there. Each film has it's spot in the industry, ya some footage gets re-used or over seen but that is a sign of bad snow, not necessarily lack of effort. Go out and prove that there is light somewhere at the end of the tunnel, do something different, prove your movie is worth the investment over another, figure something out to intrigue companies to want to make the investment even though it may not be as proven as traditional ads....then maybe you gain the trust and energy from a company to venture into something different than the usual film. I am certainly not gonna put in more money than somebody working for the film, let alone show more interest.
Positive people attract positive people.......and those are the ones that are willing to step out on the edge a lil bit and make and take chances.
Second thought, riders in todays films are way too full of themselves. With that said 90% of them are damn good riders and I dont think the average joe that thinks he can hang even stands a chance. But there is WAYYY to much entitlement in the industry these days. Way too much free gear given out for not even proving yourself. The industry is whored out for lack of better words and needs to have the reigns drawn back in. What happened to the days of riding because you love to, making movies and taking pictures because it is fun, hanging out with buddies and making memories? Having to actually prove yourself for gear and sponsorships, not just ask, or make a post on Facebook or 7 second youtube edit.....Those days certainly should not be over, and if you feel you are not getting enough "Love" or "Support" for the industry get out of it...know body is holding a gun to your head asking you to risk your life on that cliff drop. If your not doing it because YOU want to, then your doing it for all the wrong reasons.
Positive people attract positive people.......and those are the ones that are willing to step out on the edge a lil bit and make and take chances.
Second thought, riders in todays films are way too full of themselves. With that said 90% of them are damn good riders and I dont think the average joe that thinks he can hang even stands a chance. But there is WAYYY to much entitlement in the industry these days. Way too much free gear given out for not even proving yourself. The industry is whored out for lack of better words and needs to have the reigns drawn back in. What happened to the days of riding because you love to, making movies and taking pictures because it is fun, hanging out with buddies and making memories? Having to actually prove yourself for gear and sponsorships, not just ask, or make a post on Facebook or 7 second youtube edit.....Those days certainly should not be over, and if you feel you are not getting enough "Love" or "Support" for the industry get out of it...know body is holding a gun to your head asking you to risk your life on that cliff drop. If your not doing it because YOU want to, then your doing it for all the wrong reasons.
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snengineer
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Seriously man, it is so hard to get an honest opinion these days on the quality of industry products, films included...some people will say anything to ride for free it seems. I find myself having to spend more and more time fact checking. For the lucky ones who are sponsored, more power to ya.
Blown Motor - I completely agree! That is why Team 57 didn't bother making a bunch of DVDs and trying to market ourselves. We know we cannot compete with the big dogs like Slednecks and 509. We film because we love to ride. Period. We put our video online for free for everyone to see because we love what we do. I would be lying to say that I didn't want sponsorship or want to be noticed....but if I never have it that would be fine and I will continue to make movies that make me happy since that is what I love to do. We will continue to ride long after we are sick of carrying cameras around. And we will try to go big even if the camera isn't out. Note I said "try to go big"
Blown Motor - I completely agree! That is why Team 57 didn't bother making a bunch of DVDs and trying to market ourselves. We know we cannot compete with the big dogs like Slednecks and 509. We film because we love to ride. Period. We put our video online for free for everyone to see because we love what we do. I would be lying to say that I didn't want sponsorship or want to be noticed....but if I never have it that would be fine and I will continue to make movies that make me happy since that is what I love to do. We will continue to ride long after we are sick of carrying cameras around. And we will try to go big even if the camera isn't out. Note I said "try to go big"
DITTO from Highcountry Octane.... we RIDE! ANYONE, ANYTIME ANYWHERE... ANY WEATHER! And will continue to do so... I sell the vids for the simple purpose of buying the supplies I need to make more. To hopefully upgrade from a $250.00 camera to a $750.00 camera... all the rest comes out of pocket. But EVERY buyes hasd provided positive feedback and enjoyed the product...unique in its own way. The ones who watched are the ones who relayed that message... as long as someone is there looking to watch it... we'll be making it. And if they arent... we'll STILL be making it, if even just for US!
I think the coolest thing about the sled film industry is the up and comers. The Team 57, the crew, etc. Capturing the essence of sledding with your buddies is embodied in these films more so than any big budget film. Im always looking for the up and coming film crewd and without a doubt someone will be the next slednecks, thunderstruck, 509, etc. Its the rise of a film company, fueled by pure passion thats awesome to witness. Heck, 509 as a company was founded from a borrowed sony handycam!
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Jorli
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Shane, I think you are kind of missing it. I take it much of this is directed at me?...seeing as I can't get you on the phone, just saying.....
I don't think anyone is going to re-invent the wheel in terms of film distribution for these types of projects anytime soon and if a Red Bull won't step in (which they wont), there aren't a lot of megaphones big enough to compete on a level of sheer eyeballs on a dollar-to-dollar basis, although we are getting closer with some of our partnerships for TV and online. You also can't compare the value of marketing a film impression makes and more importantly who it is speaking too when looking at banner ads, facebook BSing, print, whatever. None of these mediums compete in developing reputation, exporting culture or inspiring potential and therefore cannot effectively embed your company within the culture of the sport, film can- look at Slednecks, 509, they have largely gained much of there popularity by the reputation they have developed from their films. Much to the objection of Mr. top marketing dog at Polaris, I'm sure Chris Burandt would agree that film has been his vehicle to communicate what he does or he probably wouldn't make the time and pay his way to participate in them, after all there are lots of "really nice people" out there. (sorry, bit of inside humor)
I don't think that Slednecks and 509 should be the only high-end films in the market, they both do great jobs but they are essentially brand catalogues, I think there should films that also represent the sport's culture without the brand politique guiding it, that is what the Fourcast movies have tried to accomplish, although we can't do it without the support of guys like you, unlike throwing a photo and logo in AI, these things take time and cost money to produce, its an unfair comparison. If it wasn't for the efforts of film producers, where mountain snowmobiling be right now? Where would you be right now?
You must have had help getting your business going? I would never comment on the way you run the mechanics of your operation as I don't know. I don't think you understand the mechanics of what we are doing either. We are in the same game as most of filmakers in every other sport, the difference being that there is support for them in other industries and they wouldn't survive without it. And that is where we are at as well, its not about negativity (and is inflammatory as it shows a lack of understanding) it comes down to the simple fact that no one can only put input into something without seeing a corresponding output as result of your effort. For a film producer, the output is getting the support to continue. We obviously are very passionate about what we do and love doing it or we wouldn't be doing it, there is NO red carpet in this game.
I'm impressed with what you have done, congrats! By the sounds of things, you don't share that appreciation for our efforts....best of luck to you!
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Bkinz
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Front flip has been done before Bkinz....dont you watch the X Games?
Not in the backcountry Adam...
Maybe this year....
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Doc Zoom
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There's alot of good points here. When I started Mountain Mod Mania over 10 years ago, I wanted to do something that has never been done...jumping a snowmobile out of an airplane at 13,000 feet! This stunt put MMM on the map as well as Brad Story. I have tried to cater to the high performance mountain rider showcasing the baddest, fastest mountain sleds in the world. From CR Racings 750HP nitro burning monster to the gang from Impulse Turbo which I feel are some of the best chute slayers in the business...look at the Terminal Cancer Chute in Elko. This is one of the longest and most difficult climb that has ever been done. We invest thousands in helicopters to get the right angles, we pioneered putting camera's all over the sleds with my polecams in MMM1.
I'm tired, I look at all of the miles I have put on over the past 10 years, miles in blizzard condition's on icy roads...you know you've all been there! The thousands of hours of editing. It's been alot of work.
I've also just started a new graphics company and we will be putting out graphic kits for the powersports industry, graphic kits that will set a new level of function and coolness...is that a word?
Nice thing, I have two boys..Q-Dog (Quay) who is now 19 and J-Dog (Jentry) who is 16 and are excited to step up to the plate and keep MMM going. Both boys are excellent riders and know how to use a camera. They have the passion I once had and will be a great help in the upcoming years.
I'll still get out, but not as much as before. I enjoy the great outdoors and the camaraderie with my fellow riders. Snowmobilers are some of the best people out there in my books and we are all a big happy family!
This years movies came out great, I did MMM10 as well as the "Best Of" in one DVD and it's awesome. Fun to see how the sleds have evolved over the last 10 years as well as all of us growing up, I mean getting older...we never grow up!
I also compiled the last 10 years of all the crashes in "Crash Mania". This is an hour long movie of non stop carnage! Another one to have in your library!
I want to thank all of my supporters and sponsors. Without you we wouldn't be able to do what we do!
Be safe out there!
Doc Zoom-Producer
http://www.mountainmodmania.com
I'm tired, I look at all of the miles I have put on over the past 10 years, miles in blizzard condition's on icy roads...you know you've all been there! The thousands of hours of editing. It's been alot of work.
I've also just started a new graphics company and we will be putting out graphic kits for the powersports industry, graphic kits that will set a new level of function and coolness...is that a word?
Nice thing, I have two boys..Q-Dog (Quay) who is now 19 and J-Dog (Jentry) who is 16 and are excited to step up to the plate and keep MMM going. Both boys are excellent riders and know how to use a camera. They have the passion I once had and will be a great help in the upcoming years.
I'll still get out, but not as much as before. I enjoy the great outdoors and the camaraderie with my fellow riders. Snowmobilers are some of the best people out there in my books and we are all a big happy family!
This years movies came out great, I did MMM10 as well as the "Best Of" in one DVD and it's awesome. Fun to see how the sleds have evolved over the last 10 years as well as all of us growing up, I mean getting older...we never grow up!
I also compiled the last 10 years of all the crashes in "Crash Mania". This is an hour long movie of non stop carnage! Another one to have in your library!
I want to thank all of my supporters and sponsors. Without you we wouldn't be able to do what we do!
Be safe out there!
Doc Zoom-Producer
http://www.mountainmodmania.com
personally thought the 509 video was way over hyped, a good portion of the shots needed color correction, there were random 2 second shots put into certain scenes that through everything off, noticeable jump cuts, and many poorly focused/white balanced shots. it was as if it was recorded and edited by a 9th grade DVA student. with all the money they put into it and the hype they had they should have hired someone who could actually edit videos.
also the side hilling in 3 inches of "pow" should have just been cut out as it didn't even look good. as i say all of this there were some good scenes in the video, it just should have been better. because if your going to charge a rediculous amount of money for a 55 minute video imo it should be worth it.
also bba, how bout you plug the razor a little more while your at it
also the side hilling in 3 inches of "pow" should have just been cut out as it didn't even look good. as i say all of this there were some good scenes in the video, it just should have been better. because if your going to charge a rediculous amount of money for a 55 minute video imo it should be worth it.
also bba, how bout you plug the razor a little more while your at it
