Best music dowload site?

[jonnyk]

And on another note it's not just the musician you're cheating

you're cheating the producer, the songwriter, the distributors, the sound engineer and many more people.

Sure Metallica is worth millions but when you download an illegal songs your cheating many other people that aren't rolling in the dough and are trying to EARN their money just like me and you.

If you can't justify 99 cents a song listen to the radio....

 

[Scut Farkus]

None of my CDs are copied... don't have many anymore for the matter

I only listen/buy songs I actually like, and in the last 5 years have purchased about $1 grand from itunes....

The comparison of songs vs shows is pretty obscure, everyone knows car dealerships don't make much from the sale, it's all from the service, does that make it ok to steal the car in the first place?

the money you spent on itunes could have fed starving kids in africa (30 cents a day vs. 54 cents a day you spent on average on itunes)-how selfish!

and now a few thoughts on your comparison with the car dealer:

1. WTF?
2. while it is true that many car dealers don't make much off of the difference in what they paid for the vehicle vs. the amount they sell the vehicle for, they do make money on financing, extended warranty sales, GAP protection and other back-end products.
3. it is not like stealing the car because the original is never altered, damaged or missing (see previous diagram provided by Mule)
4. when was the last time you paid full MSRP or addendum (that's the long, skinny sticker next to the big one) for a vehicle? probably not ever but do you consider that cheating the salesman that works for commission? or the sales manager who also works for commission? or the general manager who is paid off the bottom line? or the owner that invested his money to purchase the vehicle, pay interest and flooring on it, keep it insured and provide pay checks to all the employees?

 

[jonnyk]

its called negotiation, when two parties agree on a price. My money for that car or whatever the hell it is. It's up to me and the person selling me the car to agree upon a price.

You're not in agreement with the artist or the legal owners of that intellectual property for use of their material.

there's a big difference between two parties negotiating and piracy.

And yes I am selfish. That's the whole idea about capitalism, our country's trade is controlled by every private owner for profit. Earning everything you want. If you don't feel right paying 99 cents a song then don't listen to the song.... everyone involved in that creating that song deserves compensation for their work. It's up to the market to decide the price and on average the market has decided 99 cents.

 

[Abominab1e]

POPCORN! GETCHYER POPCORN HERE!!!

 

[Sako7STW]

Actually most of the free music sites have an agreement with the labels. It's all licensed under creative commons. The labels pretty much consider it advertising for dirt cheap.

Copyright laws state that you cannot copy the material for gains. So sites like TPB which are a .org and non-profit are not doing anything illegal because they are not gaining from the music, video's ect..

The pay sites like I-tunes pay the labels and thus have any and all distribution rights to the music any way they see fit. They are generaly virus free and thus less hassle. I think that the free stuff poses a bigger threat but having a Mac levels the playing fields!

 

[ruffryder]

It's up to the market to decide the price and on average the market has decided 99 cents.

I have decided that the cost is 0, and that is what I pay.

 

[Sako7STW]

Well I answered my own second question. I downloaded a Torent using TPB. I then downloaded Miro, http://www.getmiro.com , It opened, ripped, or whatever it does for the Torrent and WALLA I have every Papa Roach song. To get it onto I tunes I went to my user files and there they were under movies. I clicked and dragged them to I-tunes and boom, next onto my Ipod. Simple and AWESOME!!!

 

[Scut Farkus]

It's up to the market to decide the price and on average the market has decided 99 cents.

the market may have decided 99 cents is what they want to charge, but the users/listeners have decided that FREE is better and reflects what they are willing to pay. i'm pretty sure the reason peer to peer sharing evolved to what it is today is because the consumers didn't agree with the "market decided" prices.

as far as negotiating goes, bickering over price takes away from the sales person's commission and since he has no control over what the vehicle is sold for, this could be considered cheating him out of his commission. either pay full price for everything you purchase across the board or don't. i don't care either way but your comparison is not apples to apples.....

 

[jonnyk]

I have decided that the cost is 0, and that is what I pay.

it's not up to you alone to decide, it has to be between you and the property owner(label/artist)

so you condone theft of someone's property?

 

[jonnyk]

the market may have decided 99 cents is what they want to charge, but the users/listeners have decided that FREE is better and reflects what they are willing to pay. i'm pretty sure the reason peer to peer sharing evolved to what it is today is because the consumers didn't agree with the "market decided" prices.

as far as negotiating goes, bickering over price takes away from the sales person's commission and since he has no control over what the vehicle is sold for, this could be considered cheating him out of his commission. either pay full price for everything you purchase across the board or don't. i don't care either way but your comparison is not apples to apples.....

please explain how it is not apples to apples?

The music people have agreed that they think a fair price to sell is 99 cents

I'm not holding a gun to anyones head or holding something ransom when I buy a car, both are agreeing to a price.

there is no agreement when you steal a song

it's funny how many people go on about the constitution and preserving capitalism, but only when it's convenient for them....

 

[ruffryder]

it's not up to you alone to decide, it has to be between you and the property owner(label/artist)

so you condone theft of someone's property?

No, I am the market, as well as others that download music. We have determined that digital music should be free.

I do not consider it theft of property.

 

[jonnyk]

And just to clear something up,

All of you in favour of illegal downloading, you think you should be able to enjoy someone's work for free? without any compensation to them? They should just give it away out of the goodness of their heart to you?

I'd imagine all of you do like getting paid for the work you do don't you?

If not, I've got some yard work you should really come by and do for free. Same with some work on my truck.

Hit me up with your contact info, I love free!

 

[Scut Farkus]

please explain how it is not apples to apples?

The music people have agreed that they think a fair price to sell is 99 cents

I'm not holding a gun to anyones head or holding something ransom when I buy a car, both are agreeing to a price.

there is no agreement when you steal a song

it's funny how many people go on about the constitution and preserving capitalism, but only when it's convenient for them....

1. not apples to apples-see my previous posts and read the examples disproving your comparison

2. negotiation does end in two parties agreeing on a price but it cuts out the potential profit for many of the people involved.

3. again, if you want to pay full retail for something, that's great but do it for everything. you talk about people going on about the constitution and capitalism but only when it's convenient for them-what about yourself? do you negotiate when it comes to your groceries? or gas? or electronics? pick one theory and stick with it.

4. it's unnecessary to send red rep to me when we are having an open discussion on the forum. banter back and forth is good for exchanging ideas and having some fun. but you reap what you sow.

 

[jonnyk]

your logic is highly skewed and pretty far out there....

no I don't bargain at the gas station or the grocery store. I bargain on things that are open to bargaining. So do you think all music should be free? If you don't like the price are you at least sending what your "value" of that music is to the artist and everyone else responsible for producing that music?

Capitalism is all about personal profit and not about "everyone else". Your comments on bargaining and "market price" are pretty absurd.

Capitalism isn't about "market price" or "bargaining" it's about people working for profit. How they choose to decide to price their work and whether its up for negotiation is up to the property owner to decide. Not you or I.

I can't take home that shiny new truck unless the dealer agrees with the price I'm offering, it's not up to me to decide who's profits and commissions lose out. The same goes with the artist/music owner. By pricing their songs at whatever they are deciding which profit they need to make.

 

[Sako7STW]

The artist gets paid, maybe not as much as they used to back in the day, but they get paid.

Have you seen the price of concert tickets lately? Holy shizzle, talk about break the bank if you want a decent seat. I feel fine about downloading music because i attend alot of concerts and pay out the a$$! I figure the 2 offset eachother. Buy Cd's pay less for concerts, or, free music and pay more for concerts. I will take the second choice.

 

[Scut Farkus]

sorry jonnyk-gotta go. it's 5:30 my time and i'm off to the lake to enjoy the hot sun, calm water, cold beer and tons of free music. i'm sure we'll talk later.

 

[jonnyk]

The artist gets paid, maybe not as much as they used to back in the day, but they get paid.

Have you seen the price of concert tickets lately? Holy shizzle, talk about break the bank if you want a decent seat. I feel fine about downloading music because i attend alot of concerts and pay out the a$$! I figure the 2 offset eachother. Buy Cd's pay less for concerts, or, free music and pay more for concerts. I will take the second choice.

the two don't offset eachother at all....

at a concert you're paying to see the performer live and all of the work that goes into preparing that event.

when you download music without paying for it you're not paying the producer, song writer, sound engineers and everything else that went into creating that 3 minute song...

It still boggles my mind that a site so pro capitalism, so gun hoe on earning your living and toys and so against illegal alliens, welfare and the such that you're ok with not paying your share for music. By downloading illegally you're contributing to the demise of the economy, and helping destroy production, employment and art, all in the name of saving 99 cents a song.

 

[Abominab1e]

What you see below is a digital copy of the famous Da Vinci painting "Gioconda" - better known as The Mona Lisa. Did you just steal it when you downloaded the image and viewed it via your web browser? If not, would it become theft if you saved a copy and put it on a digital frame?

Your honor, I rest my case.

 

[jonnyk]

What you see below is a digital copy of the famous Da Vinci painting "Gioconda" - better known as The Mona Lisa. Did you just steal it when you downloaded the image and viewed it via your web browser? If not, would it become theft if you saved a copy and put it on a digital frame?

Your honor, I rest my case.

too bad this in considered fair use and public domain, might want to brush up on your copyright law

shabam! http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/274415

 

[03rmking]

File sharing is apart of Obamas redistribution of wealth policy. You see, just as Obamas knows what best for your money, you know what's best for the artists money. We're all in the same boat, artists or not...so grab a paddle and do your part.