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Best chip for 09 Duramax?

How do your guys dealers deal with warranty issues and chips or dpf delete. All dealers around here void warranty completely if the dpf is deleted or any chips been in. It is kinda hard to do anything that will void the warranty on a 60 thousand dollar truck.

The Dealer has to prove that the aftermarket equipment caused whatever problem your rig has in order to Void it. Dealerships are to quick to point a finger and scream VOID. Don't be afraid to lawyer up and take these dealers to task. These motors are tuned way down at the factory.

~Rookie
 
The Dealer has to prove that the aftermarket equipment caused whatever problem your rig has in order to Void it. Dealerships are to quick to point a finger and scream VOID. Don't be afraid to lawyer up and take these dealers to task. These motors are tuned way down at the factory.

~Rookie

FYI- GM requires a snapshot of every Diesel ECM that gets engine warranty work done. This snapshot must be saved, and sometimes sent in w/ warranty parts. If your ECM shows modifications, the dealer will be charged back for the repair. At that point I charge you for the repair, and let you fight with GM. Remember, now it's not the dealer rejecting your warranty, it's GM. Hope you have a real good lawyer and lots of money. Good luck!
 
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FYI- GM requires a snapshot of every Diesel ECM that gets engine warranty work done. This snapshot must be saved, and sometimes sent in w/ warranty parts. If your ECM shows modifications, the dealer will be charged back for the repair. At that point I charge you for the repair, and let you fight with GM. Remember, now it's not the dealer rejecting your warranty, it's GM. Hope you have a real good lawyer and lots of money. Good luck!

Spot on. Sad all the consumer misconseption on warranty rules and such. Add a tuner or delete the DPF and see how good your warranty is. Especially now with the economy in somewhat of a tumble. GM is really cracking down on ANY enhancements.

Sam
 
FYI- GM requires a snapshot of every Diesel ECM that gets engine warranty work done. This snapshot must be saved, and sometimes sent in w/ warranty parts. If your ECM shows modifications, the dealer will be charged back for the repair. At that point I charge you for the repair, and let you fight with GM. Remember, now it's not the dealer rejecting your warranty, it's GM. Hope you have a real good lawyer and lots of money. Good luck!

I went over my warranty with my dealer. I have the Extended plan. The best one GM offers. I didn't see anywhere, where it stated that a programer would void the warranty. It mentioned no more than 6" of lift. But nothing about a programer. Now, I don't know what the regular GM warranty says. If my dealer is just "blowing a bunch of gas" here? Let me know. It sounds like you know what your talking about. If you find it in the warranty could you PM me where you found it? What page/paragraph etc? I'm getting a lot of differing info. Thanks

~Rookie
 
Had them all. Here is my take
1 - EFI live
More expensive, need guages, a little technical but by far the best. Currently run a 100hp tune with transgo. Runs amazing. 100hp from EFI seems like 200hp from anything else
2 - Edge Evo Race
This is the new one
Pros - great value/price
really good power
good shifting
Cons
Lots of codes and getting updates. Had v1
In my truck too hot for towing even on low levels
3 - PPE Hot Race
Solid tuner
Never a single issue in 1.5 years of ownership
Decent power
Cons
Runs hot
Low end lacking In my opinion
Somewhat costly


Efi is by far the best. This is my 4th dmax. Had every tuner and stack until I put Efi on my last truck
 
Rookie-

I'm not sure where in the warranty this is stated, but I pulled this from the GM Tech Bulliten....

Caution: Customers should be informed if a hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components, it is likely that powertrain components were weakened to the point of premature failure, while subjected to the higher stresses from Aftermarket Power-Up Devices. Failures associated with the installation of Aftermarket Power-Up Devices, which have been verified, are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

General Motors Position On Aftermarket Power-Up Devices
Important: General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed, increase the engine horsepower and torque. Refer to Service Bulletin Number 04-06-04-054A or newer - Warranty Admin. -- Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).

Important: For further information on aftermarket power-up kits, refer to February 2006 Emerging Issues Course Number 10206.02D. In Canada, information on aftermarket power-up kits was covered in the April 2006 TAC TALK program.

Aftermarket power-up devices are non-approved by General Motors. These devices are usually piggy-backed in the main engine harness or remain connected to the diagnostic connector to upload the calibration to the ECM. Recent warranty reviews of returned engines show engine breakdown or non-function due to power-up devices that are utilized for increased horsepower and torque. The following information will assist technicians in identifying overpower engine breakdown or non-function due to aftermarket power-up devices vs. non overpower engine breakdown or non-function.

Non-GM parts can alter the design of the vehicle. GM dealers need to be aware of the quality of parts being installed on vehicles. If failure occurs as a result of installation of sub-par parts, warranty coverage may be denied. Refer to Service Bulletin Number 04-06-04-054A or newer - Warranty Admin. -- Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).



Now I know it states the failure must be verified to be caused by the aftermarket device. But trust me, if it's there and they know it's there; you'll be the one having to prove it didn't cause the failure. That can/will cost you lots of money. We as dealers used to have a lot of leeway in the coverage of these failures. Unfortunately as of late, our hands are tied if the evidence is there against you in a major failure.

We've got to the point where we will not sell or install any of the programmers, just to cover our own butts. Just know all the mnfg's are cracking down on this to rightfully reduce warrranty costs.
 
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Rookie-

I'm not sure where in the warranty this is stated, but I pulled this from the GM Tech Bulliten....

Caution: Customers should be informed if a hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components, it is likely that powertrain components were weakened to the point of premature failure, while subjected to the higher stresses from Aftermarket Power-Up Devices. Failures associated with the installation of Aftermarket Power-Up Devices, which have been verified, are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

General Motors Position On Aftermarket Power-Up Devices
Important: General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed, increase the engine horsepower and torque. Refer to Service Bulletin Number 04-06-04-054A or newer - Warranty Admin. -- Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).

Important: For further information on aftermarket power-up kits, refer to February 2006 Emerging Issues Course Number 10206.02D. In Canada, information on aftermarket power-up kits was covered in the April 2006 TAC TALK program.

Aftermarket power-up devices are non-approved by General Motors. These devices are usually piggy-backed in the main engine harness or remain connected to the diagnostic connector to upload the calibration to the ECM. Recent warranty reviews of returned engines show engine breakdown or non-function due to power-up devices that are utilized for increased horsepower and torque. The following information will assist technicians in identifying overpower engine breakdown or non-function due to aftermarket power-up devices vs. non overpower engine breakdown or non-function.

Non-GM parts can alter the design of the vehicle. GM dealers need to be aware of the quality of parts being installed on vehicles. If failure occurs as a result of installation of sub-par parts, warranty coverage may be denied. Refer to Service Bulletin Number 04-06-04-054A or newer - Warranty Admin. -- Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).



Now I know it states the failure must be verified to be caused by the aftermarket device. But trust me, if it's there and they know it's there; you'll be the one having to prove it didn't cause the failure. That can/will cost you lots of money. We as dealers used to have a lot of leaway in the coverage of these failures. Unfortunately as of late, our hands are tied if the evidence is there against you in a major failure.

We've got to the point where we will not sell or install any of the programmers, just to cover our own butts. Just know all the mnfg's are cracking down on this to rightfully reduce warrranty costs.

The sad thing is the customer thinks the Dealer is trying to "gouge" them for the repair and not cover said repair under warranty. After the Dealer has had a few charge backs, as you said, it gets rather costly. GM, as well as Ford and Chrysler are monitoring warranty repairs very closely now days. Like you said, there used to be a fair amount of leeway. Those days have diminished greatly.

Sam
 
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Had a ppe with a fully built tranny so i could run it on the 425 hp tune without worrying about slipping the trans even when pulling. When the injectors started to go out running that tune was a bad idea. the number five cylinder filled with fuel and cracked a piston. the motor is comin out now and gettin built up for about 850 rwhp. will be runnin efi tuning with lots of other goodies in the motor and trans. should pull the sleds to the mountains pretty good :D
 
as for what you are looking for the new edge has been doing good with trucks in my area. efi is the best for the duramax by far but takes a pro to tune it perfect. the dealers here are pretty good about the edge race with the dpf delete as we have been installing this on trucks for their customers before they even pick up their new truck.
 
Had the Edge Evolution in my 08 duramax since it was brand new. It was a neat setup w all the different things you can monitor, but the truck went into regen waaaay more than it should have, didn't matter what level it was on either. The egt''s also ran way hotter than I would have liked them to be at, and this was towing smaller loads. Maybe it was because the truck wasn't broke in yet (less than 10k miles)? That said im gonna give it a shot on my 09 and see if it works any better...
 
I Have had my 08 for 2 seasons now logged the first 10K on stock towing a big 5 place enclosed getting as low as 7 mpg. put the Quadzilla in and cut out dpf and went straight pipes. and now getting 12 towing the same trailer at same speeds. empty i get 19 on hwy. in cold weather letting my truck warm up i had the dpf plug causing big meltdown for me on a epic trip. As far as warranty i have 34k on mine know and I'm just keeping my stock set up on shelf in case something happens. It helps my buddy is a diesel mechanic at local shop.
 
I Have had my 08 for 2 seasons now logged the first 10K on stock towing a big 5 place enclosed getting as low as 7 mpg. put the Quadzilla in and cut out dpf and went straight pipes. and now getting 12 towing the same trailer at same speeds. empty i get 19 on hwy. in cold weather letting my truck warm up i had the dpf plug causing big meltdown for me on a epic trip. As far as warranty i have 34k on mine know and I'm just keeping my stock set up on shelf in case something happens. It helps my buddy is a diesel mechanic at local shop.

Did you go with dual pipes turbo back and what setting are you running? Thanks
 
Another vote for the EFI Live. I too have nick's (Duramaxtuner) big tune with a built tranny putting out just over 500 RWHP in an 08....Love it and holy crap fun to drive. Also, just came back from Wisconsin driving 80 MPH on the freeway with stock tires was 18 MPG and on back road two lane 23 MPG. 20K on the odometer and have always had my questions answered by Nick no prob. I won't go back.
the others have been,
Hypertec III ~ Never again....crap service, low power
Superchips ~ Pretty good tuner, not enough power
Bullydog PMT ~ Good adustabilty, no good for DPF delete, not enough power
PPE Hot + Race ~ Nice set up, too much power for stock tranny on level 5 (my fault)
EFI Live ~ I'll never look back, but am interested in the 5 position switch.
 
Thanks alot for all the great feed back! I figured there would be lots of opinions and I value all of them. Going to do abit more research on these products and hopefully make a good decision. The warranty concerns are important, certainly don't want to lose that!
 
im gonna try the banks economind tuner with pda myself because im in the same boat as you i want a little more power and better fuel millage with out any waranty concerns my friend runs the six gun on his truck and pulls huge loads without any problems. most guys dont seem to like banks they all say efi live but for a guy like me banks will be perfect :beer;
 
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I'm not sure where in the warranty this is stated, but I pulled this from the GM Tech Bulliten....

Caution: Customers should be informed if a hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components, it is likely that powertrain components were weakened to the point of premature failure, while subjected to the higher stresses from Aftermarket Power-Up Devices. Failures associated with the installation of Aftermarket Power-Up Devices, which have been verified, are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

General Motors Position On Aftermarket Power-Up Devices
Important: General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed, increase the engine horsepower and torque. Refer to Service Bulletin Number 04-06-04-054A or newer - Warranty Admin. -- Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).

Important: For further information on aftermarket power-up kits, refer to February 2006 Emerging Issues Course Number 10206.02D. In Canada, information on aftermarket power-up kits was covered in the April 2006 TAC TALK program.

Aftermarket power-up devices are non-approved by General Motors. These devices are usually piggy-backed in the main engine harness or remain connected to the diagnostic connector to upload the calibration to the ECM. Recent warranty reviews of returned engines show engine breakdown or non-function due to power-up devices that are utilized for increased horsepower and torque. The following information will assist technicians in identifying overpower engine breakdown or non-function due to aftermarket power-up devices vs. non overpower engine breakdown or non-function.

Non-GM parts can alter the design of the vehicle. GM dealers need to be aware of the quality of parts being installed on vehicles. If failure occurs as a result of installation of sub-par parts, warranty coverage may be denied. Refer to Service Bulletin Number 04-06-04-054A or newer - Warranty Admin. -- Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).



Now I know it states the failure must be verified to be caused by the aftermarket device. But trust me, if it's there and they know it's there; you'll be the one having to prove it didn't cause the failure. That can/will cost you lots of money. We as dealers used to have a lot of leeway in the coverage of these failures. Unfortunately as of late, our hands are tied if the evidence is there against you in a major failure.

We've got to the point where we will not sell or install any of the programmers, just to cover our own butts. Just know all the mnfg's are cracking down on this to rightfully reduce warrranty costs.

That sounds about right. BUT,.............. How can a customer be held liable for "Tech" info given to the Dealer and not the customer? I see Both sides of this issue clearly. I see the negligence in the part of GM. GM has the Professional responsibility to inform the customer to these "warranty clarifications" if you will. When I go in and talk to my dealer that I bought my truck from and the warranty rep has the same stuff clamped on to his truck?? I would think that's a tough case to plea. He did stand their ground firmly on the DPF delete. Thanks Guys!!:D

~Rookie
 
I'd bet $$ it's stated somewhere in the warranty. Just not good enough reading for me to take the time to look!
 
After spending COUNTLESS hours researching this, and going back and forth with Edge and Bully and PPE and...and...and...

I called IdahoRob from Duramax Forum...Rob Coddens, and you can either send him your ecm, or buy a programmed ECM exactly for your tuning needs...he can program yours for exactly what you want...

for me it was Economy and reliability...and it is MUCH cheaper than the programmer and gauges etc. etc. etc.

I am not focused on peak performance (unlike in my sled), I want reliable fuel efficient tuning...


for those who following tuning...He is the guy running Max'd out which runs a 9.94 1/4....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyzETNnFjvA

and also won the Fuel efficiency contest for another contest cant remember which it is...
 
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