Barkbuster Front ends on a Nytro

[DITCHBANGER]

i have to chime in...i had timbers arms on my nytro,and the top plate on both a-arms were bending inwards...with no air time,i hadnt hit anything,but to timbers defense they saw my post and said to send them back and they would give me another pair after i had sent pics..but i just decided to sell them as is cause i didnt want a new set of arms that were the same..the top plate is to thin..and there is stumps in my area,and i knew if i clipped one they would be toast

 

[MTdream]

COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is a post, of what guys thought of this kit (timbersled front end)
and now I tell you and the rest of the guys of my personnal experiance with Allen and or the timbersled kit, and your callin BS ??!!??!!??!!

whatever dude !!!!!!!!!!!

by the way the stock a -arms lasted close to 1500 miles before I put on the timbersled, and the stockers are back on it at 2200 miles
the timbers might loose 10 ish lbs or so but the strenght isnt there like the stockers ,......PERIOD

when people have comments that dont add up, people are going to question them...when things are not consistent with their experience, they will challenge it...if you expect comments to go unchallenged dont make comments...

but right in the post above you have a pretty large disparity...i.e. you stated you only had 62 miles on the timbersled a-arms, and the difference in mileage you posted above shows timbersled on at 1500 miles...and then the stockers went back on at 2200 miles...or roughly 10X the amount you said were on the Timbersled a-arms were on...

could be typo, or other explanation, but that is where people start questioning things...

Most of us have had incredible service from Allen, and in most cases, bought from him because of the service he gave to others, so the word of mouth thing is VERY strong in favor of him, and when we hear otherwise, we try and figure out what is what...

 

[rotax]

I think what he was saying here is that after the TS failure, he put stockers back on, and is now at 2200 miles since the TS issue (with running the stockers).

I'm glad people are posting their comments, too often the minority gets bashed for their comments. When its all relevant. Maybe you do have to dig a bit further for the whole story, but sometimes thats needed even when there are positive comments. As in, how does a person ride; jumping? tree bashin? Chute shooter? Meadow carver? Mogul bangin. Each situation could cause different problems or...lack there of all together.

Specially when I have yet to use or deal with a company, its good to see 'everything', granted I prob wouldn't NOT buy from them with only 3-5% negative comments, but thats why everything, pos and neg is good to see. At least IMO.

I've learned that not everything in aftermarket works the same for every user..and sometimes it gets very spendy to learn what works for you.

when people have comments that dont add up, people are going to question them...when things are not consistent with their experience, they will challenge it...if you expect comments to go unchallenged dont make comments...

but right in the post above you have a pretty large disparity...i.e. you stated you only had 62 miles on the timbersled a-arms, and the difference in mileage you posted above shows timbersled on at 1500 miles...and then the stockers went back on at 2200 miles...or roughly 10X the amount you said were on the Timbersled a-arms were on...

could be typo, or other explanation, but that is where people start questioning things...

Most of us have had incredible service from Allen, and in most cases, bought from him because of the service he gave to others, so the word of mouth thing is VERY strong in favor of him, and when we hear otherwise, we try and figure out what is what...

 

[IronHide]

timbersled

thank you for the correction rotax

 

[Ultralord]

I have been looking for a bit I think there is a lota spots to save some lb but for me the a arms is not a good place due to the stumps and trees that are in the woods that I ride in but maybe a weeker lighter arm will save the rest of the sled????

 

[Nikolai]

I personally would weld the stock spindles and run Fabcraft's a-arms, they're actually stronger than stock.

 

[rotax]

I have been looking for a bit I think there is a lota spots to save some lb but for me the a arms is not a good place due to the stumps and trees that are in the woods that I ride in but maybe a weeker lighter arm will save the rest of the sled????

I'm still a believer in this.. As long as its not a hit that would tear an arm completely off, I'd rather have my Arm bent than the subframe.. This comes from trailing arm days and Rev-nun fiasco.

Some argue that bending the arm, and possibly shock, steering rods, etc can be spendier/more work.. And or may be more work to get back out to the truck. And argue that at least with a tweaked subframe, you can still ride the sled normally.

Which does have some logic to it too..


I think its VERY situational though. As with some, normal riding or light/slow hits have bent up the subframe (same issue the nun had)..

What would this do if the arm was the weaker link?? Its hard to say since its hard to repeat each one of these circumstances 100% accurately from sled to sled, rider to rider, location to location.. Or it could even be in suspension setup..

Not sure how it can be so hard for them (sled manuf) to figure out...or its just refusal to acknowledge its existance all together.

 

[funjunkie]

I work for Timbersled products And I think I will shed some light on this before it get to deep. I saw that kit come into shop. Allen had him send the kit back for a refund to make up for all his hassles with the kit. Not yet knowing what the real problem of failure was from. upon installing the cross shafts he somehow brock the a arm bushing flanges off and drove the bushings all theway thru the a arms to the other side and did not install the ski rubbers. Than when he rode the sled the a arms were slamming back and forth in the bulk head so hardthat it bent the tubing were the bushing should have been at. Do to the abuse from this the a arms failed The only fair thing Allen could do is give him his money back for the salvageable parts. I don't see any problem with customer service. A business owner can't be taken advantage of if it is just not his fault. His Barkbuster kit would still be on his sled if they were installed properly.
Dale @ Timbersled products.

 

[whittaker727]

And thus the other side of the story and all makes sense in the world. Well, at least in this instanace.

 

[whittaker727]

I work for Timbersled products And I think I will shed some light on this before it get to deep. I saw that kit come into shop. Allen had him send the kit back for a refund to make up for all his hassles with the kit. Not yet knowing what the real problem of failure was from. upon installing the cross shafts he somehow brock the a arm bushing flanges off and drove the bushings all theway thru the a arms to the other side and did not install the ski rubbers. Than when he rode the sled the a arms were slamming back and forth in the bulk head so hardthat it bent the tubing were the bushing should have been at. Do to the abuse from this the a arms failed The only fair thing Allen could do is give him his money back for the salvageable parts. I don't see any problem with customer service. A business owner can't be taken advantage of if it is just not his fault. His Barkbuster kit would still be on his sled if they were installed properly.
Dale @ Timbersled products.

Ole Ironhide got kinda quiet after that one

 

[MTdream]

kinda like Paul Harkey huh?

 

[whittaker727]

Good day!

 

[Work - Never]

I'm a big fan of BarkBuster front ends, but it is not a kit for the guy who wants a slam bam thank you mam R&R. I have installed this kit on 3 different sleds. It required different shimming on every A arm. None of the bulk heads I have installed on had close enough tolerances to just simply stick the bushings in the A arms and slide them into the bulk head and bolt them down. I have shimmed the back of every A arm so that there was absolutely no free play. It takes some time and effort, but given the stress these arms have to withstand common sense tells me they need to be tight.

 

[modsledr]

I work for Timbersled products And I think I will shed some light on this before it get to deep. I saw that kit come into shop. Allen had him send the kit back for a refund to make up for all his hassles with the kit. Not yet knowing what the real problem of failure was from. upon installing the cross shafts he somehow brock the a arm bushing flanges off and drove the bushings all theway thru the a arms to the other side and did not install the ski rubbers. Than when he rode the sled the a arms were slamming back and forth in the bulk head so hardthat it bent the tubing were the bushing should have been at. Do to the abuse from this the a arms failed The only fair thing Allen could do is give him his money back for the salvageable parts. I don't see any problem with customer service. A business owner can't be taken advantage of if it is just not his fault. His Barkbuster kit would still be on his sled if they were installed properly.
Dale @ Timbersled products.

funjunkie,

thanks for posting...that is why I asked the original question in the first place, because there is ALWAYS 2 sides to every story, and most (me included) will slant things in our favor.

Reputations are hard to come by, and bad ones are even harder to get rid of. Everyone should think long and hard about their own part in a dispute before bashing others, especially when the bash is about someone with an excellent reputation, like Allen.

modsledr