baker groomer
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backcountrysnowbikes
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I'd be in favor of a trail fee based system (like BC does)
$5-$10 per sled, and fees are only collected on days the trail is being groomed.
Also, offer locals options to buy seasons passes. Lets cut out the middle man (Washington) and do it this way.
$5-$10 per sled, and fees are only collected on days the trail is being groomed.
Also, offer locals options to buy seasons passes. Lets cut out the middle man (Washington) and do it this way.
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mtn mike on boost
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I remember not long ago if someone posted anything
negative about the groomer, they would get totally flamed
I say bitch when necessary, praise when its due
he needs to start dropping that bade up front.
rode tues. and was rock hard whoops all 9 miles, max speed of 15mph. its was groomed while we were up and
want to say thx, much better than what he have been seeing. how was Monday's ride? based on how tracked
it was tues. looks like Monday was the day
oh and who is this princess sofia? never heard of em???
negative about the groomer, they would get totally flamed
I say bitch when necessary, praise when its due
he needs to start dropping that bade up front.
rode tues. and was rock hard whoops all 9 miles, max speed of 15mph. its was groomed while we were up and
want to say thx, much better than what he have been seeing. how was Monday's ride? based on how tracked
it was tues. looks like Monday was the day
oh and who is this princess sofia? never heard of em???
no, it's $20/sled per day.. or about 15USD. Everything is more expensive in Canada, as we know...but theres not reason why we couldn't pay $5-$10/day per sled.. and locals could buy local unlimited trail passes...ths would completly bypass WA State
25 in Sicamous
...I do like your idea. The locals by passes for their area, and if you go somewhere else, you pay a fee.
Ace
...I do like your idea. The locals by passes for their area, and if you go somewhere else, you pay a fee.
Ace
Grooming
I was up on Mt Baker Monday and yes the road was horrible but, I could have told you in August, before a flake of snow ever thought of falling on the road that conditions would be exactly what they were given any holiday weekend!
To all of you who want to constantly complain about our grooming program and our groomer here in Skagit and Watcom county's, the groomer holds a contract with Washington state to maintain motorized and non-motorized snow parks on Forest service land, I don't know of anyone that works for the state or federal government that worked the Christmas or the New year's holidays, unless it was a position of public safety and the groomer shouldn't have to either.
As of Jan 5, grooming has been underway for exactly one month, and I believe Baker has been groomed 13 times Anderson Watson 7, Glacier Creek 7 or 8, Seagalson 1, and Finny Creek 1. That's not bad for 31 days. We can't nor should we groom every day. Our area just has to many people using it to make everyone their own personal highway.
I was up on Mt Baker Monday and yes the road was horrible but, I could have told you in August, before a flake of snow ever thought of falling on the road that conditions would be exactly what they were given any holiday weekend!
To all of you who want to constantly complain about our grooming program and our groomer here in Skagit and Watcom county's, the groomer holds a contract with Washington state to maintain motorized and non-motorized snow parks on Forest service land, I don't know of anyone that works for the state or federal government that worked the Christmas or the New year's holidays, unless it was a position of public safety and the groomer shouldn't have to either.
As of Jan 5, grooming has been underway for exactly one month, and I believe Baker has been groomed 13 times Anderson Watson 7, Glacier Creek 7 or 8, Seagalson 1, and Finny Creek 1. That's not bad for 31 days. We can't nor should we groom every day. Our area just has to many people using it to make everyone their own personal highway.
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tar
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I know for a fact Glacier creek has not been groomed 7or 8 times,that might be what he tells you and the state but its not true. Making excuses for the groomer doesn't help the trail.
The issue is not the fact he grooms or not but the fact the quality isn't there. Running the groomer down the trail with the blade up or turning around because there is a twig in the trail doesn't count for grooming,its a wastse of our grooming money.
Tar
Moving on to a legitimate complaint snowmobile registration.
Most of us who ride snowmobiles and enjoy having areas open for us to use our toys, resister our sleds. But there is a growing number of snowmobiles, snowbikes, snowboarders and skiers on the mountain with out registration on their machines or permits in their vehicles. This should piss you off just as much as when you see the 4x4 truck leaving huge ruts in the trail that you and the rest of us with a registered sled paid for. Our program is funded by registrations not by tax dollars. every one of you who think more should be done to enhance our sport should encourage everyone to participate in the program by registering their sleds. For those who chose not participate you are taking advantage of everyone of us that do and you don't have a right to complain when your trail isn't up to your standard.
Most of us who ride snowmobiles and enjoy having areas open for us to use our toys, resister our sleds. But there is a growing number of snowmobiles, snowbikes, snowboarders and skiers on the mountain with out registration on their machines or permits in their vehicles. This should piss you off just as much as when you see the 4x4 truck leaving huge ruts in the trail that you and the rest of us with a registered sled paid for. Our program is funded by registrations not by tax dollars. every one of you who think more should be done to enhance our sport should encourage everyone to participate in the program by registering their sleds. For those who chose not participate you are taking advantage of everyone of us that do and you don't have a right to complain when your trail isn't up to your standard.
We have a little of your problems over here in Montana but nothing like what I'm reading here. Over here grooming is funded by registration, a very small percentage of gas tax revenues, and a new trail use pass.
Our groomers are out in the evening starting at about 5:30 PM. The trail needs time to set up and it cant happen with sleds on it. In our particular area we groom about 300 miles of trails, some every couple weeks and a good portion weekly. The cat is on the snow Monday night through Thursday night and again Saturday night.
We have two local clubs operating a single Piston Bully 400 with two paid operators who are employees of the grooming association. We certainly don't get the traffic you guys do but our operators take pride in their work and our trails are smooth.
I guess I have a hard time understanding why the cats are out at 8:00 in the morning both from a safety stand point and an operational stand point.
Jon Seaman
King's Hill Grooming Association
Our groomers are out in the evening starting at about 5:30 PM. The trail needs time to set up and it cant happen with sleds on it. In our particular area we groom about 300 miles of trails, some every couple weeks and a good portion weekly. The cat is on the snow Monday night through Thursday night and again Saturday night.
We have two local clubs operating a single Piston Bully 400 with two paid operators who are employees of the grooming association. We certainly don't get the traffic you guys do but our operators take pride in their work and our trails are smooth.
I guess I have a hard time understanding why the cats are out at 8:00 in the morning both from a safety stand point and an operational stand point.
Jon Seaman
King's Hill Grooming Association
I agree. BUT, just because you don't see tabs on a sled, doesn't mean we don't register our sleds...it's just that we don't wanna mess up our pretty wraps
I carry all my stuff in a ziplock bag, in my pocket. I'd have to run into a real dick to write me a ticket for not having it attached to the body panel.
I have been riding here for 15 years and I guarantee I rode more days than you this December and have seen the lack of grooming first hand. The groomer may have been out a lot of those days but he spends 80% of his time plowing and the trails didn't get groomed.
No one says he should have worked Christmas but Schreibers and GCreek should have had twice the normal grooming schedule because the areas saw twice the normal traffic. Maybe you're new to the sport and don't ride a lot of other areas but a lot of areas groom more during the holidays (daily in BC)
Not all of this is Randy's fault, some of it is systemic, either way it isn't working and is much lower quality than it used to be under previous contracts/contractors. We need to separate the plowing from the grooming. We need to allocate grooming $$$ based on usage....we don't need Finney Creek groomed every week (or at all) when 3 people used it in a given week. Why is he grooming the Nordic trail 2x for every 1x at Glacier Creek? IT ISNT WORKING!
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