awesome rear skid set up from racer's edge!!

[noob]

i assumed it would be an affordable way to couple your skid, which there is a pretty good demand for. the cost was suprising though. if you look at what your physically getting, it's not that much. most people have a pretty good idea of what shocks, torque arms, etc. cost. the design principle (and patent?) was already there so in effect you are paying substancially for the r&d. i'll be the first to say that the racers edge built sleds i have seen look like works of art. based on that, i would assume this setup would work well. as well as a $5K cr racing setup, i highly doubt it, nor should it based on the cost. does it work better than a brand new non cr m-10? i don't know but if you google m-10, rich powersports will sell a brand new 159 m-10 for $1650. is this the same m-10, i don't know. we're not big m-10 people because of their normal weight and we don't typically push 300+hp. in the end, time will tell if it's worth the price. i also gotta add that if this was a no-name company that brought this out, it would be interesting to hear the response. would it be a) that's cool, it's a more affordable version of an m-10 or b) for that price, save some more until you have enough for the real thing.

jeff

Hey Jeff, appreciate the thought out response. there have been a couple responses that have been less then well thought out and pretty ignorant. Racer's edge let's put it is like the name cadillac. Your going to pay more for having racer's edge named stamped or associated with a product. Is it worth it?? some people have a check stroked and ready to go, some it isn't worth it. that's fine. this setup was not made to be compared to a cr m10. racer's edge has a light weight m10 that you can compare to the cr setup. so let's compare this to apples to apples.

You have a regular m-10 that is 1650 from a source. that skid is going to work very very well. how does it compare to this setup?? until I ride both one after another I could not tell you. from the responses that darryl has got back as well as his own testing, it's as good. the cost of the regular m-10 is 1650 in u.s. dollars. Darryl's setup (and I should have been more clear) is 1995.00 in canadian dollars. so it's going to be very close for cost after you do the exchange rate(for you americans it will cost 1663 roughly with todays exchange. for the canadians to buy that m-10 it's going to cost them 1996.00 roughly). now for the important part. If you do not set up an m-10 correctly you may as well have thrown your money out the window. it's not a bolt in deal like racer's setup is. to have someone correctly do a setup, your going to be 500 plus (racer's is 800 to set it up, includes m-10 brace, proper location and knowledge) with an m-10, your going to have to buy an m-10 jack if you want the adjustability you do with this setup. there is another 400 bucks plus another 8 pds bolted onto your skid. so right now your going to be into this m-10 if you want it done correctly for around 2500-3000 bucks depending on costs(more for canadians with the dollar spiking).

This setup is not going to be for everybody, and I'm not trying to push it on everybody. It's a phenominal setup that is going to work very very well. It does have a hefty price tag. You think the costs involved are expensive. I want a couple of you guys to go build a setup like this and let me know what costs you have involved?? let's compare costs. and when you get your cost, how much are you going to tack onto the end product to keep your doors open for business. Cuz I know you aint' gonna do it for free.

 

[noob]

ttt

 

[captjacksparrow]

By the time you get a $1650.oo M-10 into Canada, with shipping, brokerage, dispersment, GST and exchange it will be $25 to $2600.oo or more. I just brought up a tunnel which would be lighter than an M-10 and shipping alone was $388.76. One more thing is the cost of an M-10 mount kit, They vary for every sled because the M-10 is genaric. The mount kits can be over $300.oo. I like this setup because it fits your rear skid so your skid bolts right back into the stock location.

 

[powderho]

Info?

Noob - you obviously have some connection with this skid. I would like more information and less "keyboard duals". From the previous posts, I can determine that this is a "phenomenal setup". What makes it a phenomenal setup besides the repeated keeping the front end down on a boosted sled? What if you don't have a boosted sled? The info that I would like are, for a stock Apex: is there a weight difference over stock? If so, how much? How does this skid perform for sidehilling, for boondocking, for carving, for trails getting back to riding areas? What specifically would the consumer expect from this skid? Not here to bash, but just trying to gather pertinent info to make informed decisions. Thanks, looking forward to hearing more specifics about this set up.

 

[rdr99]

I have ran some of Darryls stuff, always excellent quality. Wonder if there is an Air shock option?

 

[NM]

I have ran some of Darryls stuff, always excellent quality. Wonder if there is an Air shock option?

You would probably not want the airshock option over the adjustability of this gas shock. It has both rebound and dampening adjustments...this will give you a great ride and be very functional for booning, tree bashing, and trail riding. Air shocks for rear shocks are kind of limited in capability at this point. I understand there may be help coming, but it has it's price.

 

[Rotax_Kid]

Curious..who's or what shocks are you guys using? Nice clean approach. For all of the aftermarket skids out there, I questions why a guy needs new rails anymore..the new Cat and DOo rails are as light as things are going to get...anything lighter is only going to be ounces.

 

[noob]

Noob - you obviously have some connection with this skid. I would like more information and less "keyboard duals". From the previous posts, I can determine that this is a "phenomenal setup". What makes it a phenomenal setup besides the repeated keeping the front end down on a boosted sled? What if you don't have a boosted sled? The info that I would like are, for a stock Apex: is there a weight difference over stock? If so, how much? How does this skid perform for sidehilling, for boondocking, for carving, for trails getting back to riding areas? What specifically would the consumer expect from this skid? Not here to bash, but just trying to gather pertinent info to make informed decisions. Thanks, looking forward to hearing more specifics about this set up.

Just got off the phone with Darryl. with the yammi sleds, you can expect to lose 13 pds. with the doo's, it's a wash. and with cat he says you'll actually put on about 3 pds. This setup is basically an all around setup that will work exceptionally well on the rough beat up moguled out trails with the shock. the adjustability of the shock will give you the firmness you need to pound the rough stuff, and when you get back into your play area you can soften the shock. when this is done, this setup will be incredible for boondocking. the way he's got it set up will allow your sled to get up on top of the snow the second you crack the throttle, and allow you to carve until your hearts content. for hill climbing you can ajust the shock to how ever you like it, and this is where the coupled portion of the suspension works to keep the front end of the sled down(the slide portion in their bracket) once you hit a certain angle in climbing, the slider slides to the bottom portion of the bracket. when this happens, the supension bascially locks out thus keeping the front end of the sled down.

I guess I should have clarified that this is not a setup only for a turbo application. He designed this setup for any sled out there, stock or modified. will it keep the front end down better then a cr or racer's edge m-10, i can't say. basically until this setup, you picked your poison. do you want an all out hillclimbing suspension, or do you want something that will allow you to boon dock. I dont' know that there has been one setup that flat out worked in both areas. I've always through experience found you get one or the other with it being mediocre either way as well. my own experience is if you want to keep your front end down period, the ONLY way to go is an m-10. there are other setup's out there that will do a decent job, but not as good as an m-10. I'm not trashing other setups, because there are guys out there that pull some crazy stuff without an m-10.

This skid is not an m-10, (and if you install an m-10 correctly with bracing wont' cost as much as an m-10) but an exceptional design for a coupled suspension that will allow the rider to get the most out of booning and hillclimbing(whatever you desire) with one setup. Any other questions, you can pm me or call darryl at 403-254-8686 and we'll help ya out. thanx

 

[noob]

Curious..who's or what shocks are you guys using? Nice clean approach. For all of the aftermarket skids out there, I questions why a guy needs new rails anymore..the new Cat and DOo rails are as light as things are going to get...anything lighter is only going to be ounces.

with darryl's setup, you'll actually put 3 pounds with a cat. you are exactly correct, their skids are about as light as you probably want to go with the rails. any lighter, and there might be problems with rails bending or breaking. I know some guys are going to say, why do I want to add 3 pds with this setup. comfort and adjustability is why. if that's important to you, you will look at this setup. if your fine with your current setup, that's fine too.

 

[NM]

I just had this setup installed in the Nytro my kid rides, and it is a different machine all together. The sled at 16 lbs boost would wheelie everywhere and now you can keep it completely flat on any hill. If you want to wheelie, then adjust the compression on the shock and it transfers similar to a stock skid. The adjustability is unreal, and it will work with stock rails or something like Ice Age rails. For an added bonus, it rides way better on the trails too.
Starting to see quite a few of these setups on XP's in Revy and they look like they help a stock sled alot too.

 

[summitboy]

NM,

I have heard that skid keeps the front end down on a turbo machine but what is the overall ride quality like ? My Timbersled rides awesome down the trail compared to stock, how does Bakers skid work ?

 

[NM]

NM,

I have heard that skid keeps the front end down on a turbo machine but what is the overall ride quality like ? My Timbersled rides awesome down the trail compared to stock, how does Bakers skid work ?

I was suprised how much better the ride quality was, and you can adjust it in 30 seconds with the compression and rebound adjustment on the shock...I know you can't do that with a Timber skid. With this shock, if the trail has big moguls, just a couple quick clicks and done...and that works the same for hillclimbing, tree riding, or whatever your riding style is.

 

[Revdawg]

Hey guys, we got a few of these skids in our 09 xp's as well as a full Racer's edge m10 in a 880 xp. They really work well. there is no comparison to stock from every aspect of riding from trail to hill climbing to deep boondocking, it just plain works better. There is a couple 09 xp's in the group with stock skids and everything else setup the same and they done hold a candle in climbing and handling to the ones with the skid.
I would imagine the timbersled one will handle the similar. Either way the stock skid is junk imo and something needs to be done.
Everyone that has rode with me is a believer now.

 

[Samurai]

Do I understand correctly to install this suspension on a Cat ....you need to have the 09 rails. If so what else do you need besides the rails on a Cat install? Cant find a AC section on their website
Any body got pics please and comments on how they like this skid mod on a Cat
Thanks

 

[Samurai]

Thanks Jenn...posted for anyone else who is interested.

I'am going with this set-up.......Thanks Neil

 

[triple Black]

I have this skid installed on my 174 nytro and works great. The real great thing is the support, the baker boys are riding revelstoke on a regular basis and testing the product! they were able to extend the center to center for my purpose as well thus eliminating the large lever point on most 174's.

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[sledhed88]

Hey guys any one running this on a Turbo M yet?? IS daryl on here to talk too?

 

[noob]

Hey guys any one running this on a Turbo M yet?? IS daryl on here to talk too?

darryl dont' come on here. you can contact him at 403-254-8686

 

[Transporter]

So is it 2000 bucks and bolt on to your Apex stock rails?

 

[sledhed88]

thanks noob