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avalanche bags

Not sure it would be very pleasant to be buried with compressed nitrogen leaking out of the bag. The bags have a good success rate at keeping you on top, but its not 100%. I decided against the ABS for that reason. Went with a BCA 30 and it has been a great pack and easy on the wallet. These things arent that complicated, there is no reason for them to cost $1200.


I totally agree! Some of these Avy pack makers (ABS in particular) appear to be VERY greedy! Quantity of sales tend to sort them out from the ones who charge a fair price for the product (BCA). I too, like the idea of having "air" with me under the snow, should i ever end up there.

Cheers!
 
I believe I also read somewhere that they use Nitrogen for the fact that as you go up in altitude it's not affected nearly as much as straight oxogen.
 
Another thing to think about it that Snowpulse bags wrap around your head as well giving a bit more protection to your neck and brain.
 
ABS started with a cable pull handle in the 80's, and went to the charge handle to pressure pierce the nitro can for reliability. Ran into inconsistencies with cable stretch and moisture freeze up in early models. FWIW. With nitro, they maintain bag pressure better at varying altitudes (it is N and outside air mixed), and with a sealed can, less susceptible to moisture issues. They also went with two bags independent of each other and not one, venturi helps here, also. One will still float you, they say. But, two systems to fail instead of one. Their pitch, not mine.

With that said, any bag is a huge step above no bag, and keeping it maintained, thawed every day, etc., goes a long way to saving your butt. They all have tradeoffs. Buy what fits and works for you, practice with it, and maintain it. When you see the video tests on the mountain with dummies and triggered slides, these are pretty amazing devices. Float theory works. Nothing protects you from trees, rocks, sled, other victims.
 
Does anyone else think these packs are a little over priced due to the fact that the makers of these packs know we need them. I think they are a great tool to have, but does it really coast this much to make these packs and retail them?

i just wanted to comment on this one a bit.
we spent over 10k on a sled, up to 20k if it is a turbo
30-50k on a truck to get there. 3k on a trailer or deck to hold it to get there.
1k on tires to get there, who knows how much on fuel, oil, belts, mods ect.
800$ on something that if the **** hits the fan, brings you home to the wife and kids is priceless.
 
Not sure it would be very pleasant to be buried with compressed nitrogen leaking out of the bag. The bags have a good success rate at keeping you on top, but its not 100%. I decided against the ABS for that reason. Went with a BCA 30 and it has been a great pack and easy on the wallet. These things arent that complicated, there is no reason for them to cost $1200.

Air is 80% Nitrogen and 19% O2+ 1% misc gas. The ABS when triggered also draws air in from the outside to fill the bags.
The idea is to stay on top of the snow so you do not get buried.

I totally agree! Some of these Avy pack makers (ABS in particular) appear to be VERY greedy! Quantity of sales tend to sort them out from the ones who charge a fair price for the product (BCA). I too, like the idea of having "air" with me under the snow, should i ever end up there.

Cheers!

It doesn't matter what gas is inside the bags, the ABS bags stay inflated until you manually release the air.
 
I'm so confused...

Cheaper product means and lower cost labor = scabs! Scabs bad. Or, China, worse!

More expensive product and higher labor cost = greedy company. Greed bad.

We need the OEM's to make bags, then the arguments would be so much simpler...
 
i just wanted to comment on this one a bit.
we spent over 10k on a sled, up to 20k if it is a turbo
30-50k on a truck to get there. 3k on a trailer or deck to hold it to get there.
1k on tires to get there, who knows how much on fuel, oil, belts, mods ect.
800$ on something that if the **** hits the fan, brings you home to the wife and kids is priceless.

While for some people this may be true but for other this is not even close to what people can spend. Yes for someone in my dads position the above is all true. For me and my friends that ride together it is much farther from the truth.

Sled used $4,500
Truck used 9 - 10 K
Two place trailers used $800
belts, gas etc same.
Now a $1000 bag kinda seems more to that person that only spends $15K for everything. That close to 7% for the cost for everything else. To some that is a lot of money

For the guy that can spend close to $70K for his stuff another $1000 is not much, you are right. But honestly how many of the riders out there have $70K into a sled, a rig and a trailer? There is a huge difference to the guy that spends 1% on a bag and the guy that has to spend 7 -8% on the bag.
To that guy it is a much harder purchase to make. That is the one reason I have not had one yet. It takes time to save up enough to actually buy the bag. With all the other expenses of a family that does take time to save for. Its guys like us that the manufactures are taking it out on. I am sure glad I have not been in an avy yet because I have not been able to afford one until now.

I am sure the manufactures spent a lot of money on R&D but it seems like they are trying to make up all that cost on a small # of bags. If the price was cut in half I think they would sell more than double to amount of bags they currently sell. I know I would have had one a year or two ago. There are a lot of riders that make $50K or less a year and that make it really hard to spend $1000 on just one thing.
 
While for some people this may be true but for other this is not even close to what people can spend. Yes for someone in my dads position the above is all true. For me and my friends that ride together it is much farther from the truth.

Sled used $4,500
Truck used 9 - 10 K
Two place trailers used $800
belts, gas etc same.
Now a $1000 bag kinda seems more to that person that only spends $15K for everything. That close to 7% for the cost for everything else. To some that is a lot of money

For the guy that can spend close to $70K for his stuff another $1000 is not much, you are right. But honestly how many of the riders out there have $70K into a sled, a rig and a trailer? There is a huge difference to the guy that spends 1% on a bag and the guy that has to spend 7 -8% on the bag.
To that guy it is a much harder purchase to make. That is the one reason I have not had one yet. It takes time to save up enough to actually buy the bag. With all the other expenses of a family that does take time to save for. Its guys like us that the manufactures are taking it out on. I am sure glad I have not been in an avy yet because I have not been able to afford one until now.

I am sure the manufactures spent a lot of money on R&D but it seems like they are trying to make up all that cost on a small # of bags. If the price was cut in half I think they would sell more than double to amount of bags they currently sell. I know I would have had one a year or two ago. There are a lot of riders that make $50K or less a year and that make it really hard to spend $1000 on just one thing.

hey I hear you yamadoo 04, financially life can be a bitch...I guess if you sled in mountain terrain, the question you need to ask yourself is, Is your life worth that extra 7-8%? For me, my answer is yes. Having been to a handfull of funerals for friends who died in avalanches, I think it is a more important purchase than the sled itself. At a 98% success rate, the potential protection the bags offer is worth every nickel in my opinion.
 
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