its not even that, its more the fact that people go "Welp, I hit the ceiling for my payments out of pocket now insurance covers it I better go see the chiropractor because I haven't had a backrub in awhile, then I should go to the dermatologist to see if they can help me with my acne" and they try to get out more than they put in. Little do they realize every year that happens they just raise the rates more.
Are we raising a country of pansies??
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its not even that, its more the fact that people go "Welp, I hit the ceiling for my payments out of pocket now insurance covers it I better go see the chiropractor because I haven't had a backrub in awhile, then I should go to the dermatologist to see if they can help me with my acne" and they try to get out more than they put in. Little do they realize every year that happens they just raise the rates more.
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Well that is just a dumb comment. Using your mentality if someone gets a paper cut and puts a bandaid on it, for some reason it gets severly infected and then they need to go to the doctor. We should not expect sympathy from you. Or how about a common cold, you treat it but it turns into pneumonia or a severe broncial infection. No sympathy form you. If you are in the healthcare business you should get out now because you sound like you are in it for wrong reason. Get real. The original poster was talking about little things that are no big deal and would never turn into a big thing. Not a broken bone or severe blood loss or somethin like that.
Oh and by the way I never want sympathy from a doctor or anyone else in the healthcare system. When I go I only want them to do their job. And that is to heal what may be wrong.
I was more refering to the ultimate tough guy posts.
Thanks for the advice but I think I will keep up my job, no complaints from me or the people I deal with.
these days a sniffle is like a decapitation for many people....sickening. At a minimum the sniffle will require a lifetime regimen of allergy shots. On a larger issue I fear this growing trend of complete feminization. Masculinity is becoming politically incorrect.....if little Billie gets a scrape and you send him back into the soccer game, you know...the ones where everyone gets a trophy, you are guilty of child abuse and if you didn't spend 45 minutes talking "baby talk" to him you are mean, cruel and insensitive. Clearly these people never heard of Patrice Bergeron.
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I'm a man
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mtsummitx
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In regards to the poll. Yes, this nation has become (in too many cases) a cesspool of wannabe hypochondriac cry-babies so insistent on seeking medical help, or help from anything else for that reason, because they are too damn lazy to use a few of the millions of brain cells they have to figure out something on their own. What once was a nation of 'rub the dirt off, and don't waste a bandaid if it ain't bleedin' mentality, is now growing group of ER slot-time wasting-resource hoarding PANSIES.......haha
Time Magazine; March 4, 2013 issue. Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us - Steven Brill - READ THIS!!!
This guys article took up almost an entire issue. Whether it is 100% accurate or not I can't say, but it surely is believable in my book. You will be storming out of the house raging mad after you read what kind of profits 'non-profit' hospitals are making. Charges for items are explained and percent mark-ups are given. Differences in price fixing based on whether the patient pays from insurance, out-of-pocket, or from Medicare. I knew the system was seriously flawed. This article blew my mind. My wife WORKS at our hospital and we still pay $7k+ in premiums, PLUS copays, PLUS the deductible...... It's just a small part of how totally screwed up the whole country is.
Time Magazine; March 4, 2013 issue. Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us - Steven Brill - READ THIS!!!
This guys article took up almost an entire issue. Whether it is 100% accurate or not I can't say, but it surely is believable in my book. You will be storming out of the house raging mad after you read what kind of profits 'non-profit' hospitals are making. Charges for items are explained and percent mark-ups are given. Differences in price fixing based on whether the patient pays from insurance, out-of-pocket, or from Medicare. I knew the system was seriously flawed. This article blew my mind. My wife WORKS at our hospital and we still pay $7k+ in premiums, PLUS copays, PLUS the deductible...... It's just a small part of how totally screwed up the whole country is.
A couple years back do to a home made cannon accident I ended up in the E.R. I walked in with half the side of my face looking like the inside of a BBQ because of black powder burns. I had to sit and wait a extra 1/2hr because the woman in front of me had a "carpet killer" (aka kid) had a bad cough. She through a sh*t fit when the nurse wanted to jump me in front of her explaining to her that obviously my injuries were much more pressing than her "carpet killers" where. I finally told the nurse that I was fine and would wait for the next Doc. To date that was the longest 1/2hr in my life. They did give me some advil to deal with the pain of imbedded powder burns to my face and right eye haha
Thank god for the triage station and Advil!!! Fu€k!!! Does anyone else notice that when in the ER. People are waiting for what seems to be hrs. Once you finally get behind the closed door. No one is running around, It's pretty quite just doesn't seem that much is going on. But in the waiting room. Looks like something off of night of the living dead!!!
I do agree with this, especially with the ER here at Kalispell Regional Monoply Center (exscuse me, Medical Center, I was blinded by the mass buyout of doctor's offices our hospital has performed here)...
I would have to say they were abnormally pretty darn quick at our ER back in '98 when my college roomate cut his hand open with a chainsaw and he collapsed at their front desk when I hauled his butt in on a Saturday afternoon!
To bad they don't accept Monopoly money for payment!!!
Vaccines are cheap as dirt. The government FORCES the pharmaceutical companies to make them as they see no profit in them and would otherwise completely stop making them. The chemical levels in vaccines are infinitely low and, when you request it, you can have access to vaccines without the tiny amount of preservative they hold. 95% of us must be vaccinated for herd immunity to work. We aren't at that level, and it drops every year as the number of tin hat folks increase. Just remember, you are making a judgement call that puts not you, but your children at risk. Fine with that? Good, because several of the diseases that can be acquired when not vaccinated can and do kill what could have been your grandchildren. I'm sure your kids will thank you for that as a loving legacy.
Vaccines are the easiest and most effective treatment we have in all of medicine. One itty bitty little poke and we avoid with >90% certainty diseases that will cost you tens of thousands to control and treat once obtained. Many of these diseases cause 100% irreversible damage.
Ask someone that grew up before we had Polio vaccine what that was like to watch as their friends crippled around them. Or ask Africans what it's like to die from liver cancer because they didn't get a vaccine for Hep B.....this isn't funny stuff. These are diseases that still exist and are more and more likely to meet your kids on the playground as we no longer require immigrants to be healthy when they arrive.
Vaccines for your kids are just that, for your kids. Don't put them at a disadvantage because of your own misconceptions.
And please don't solely blame medicine for the rise in antibiotic resistance. Recent evidence has shown that while we in the medical world do hold some blame for resistance, it is more related to the food industry pumping animals full of the same antibiotics we use so they have low enough levels of circulating infection to slaughter and sell for food, and to patients who play doctor and do not complete the full prescribed dose of treatment allowing the bugs that are left to mutate and form resistance.
Medicine isn't cheap. But then again, nor is your monthly cell phone or cable bill. When used correctly with very reasonable yearly visits that help catch significant disease early, it is much cheaper in the long run.
It's funny, because the one's who don't get care for 20 years and come in and are told there is nothing left to do as it is too late are some of the most violently angry at us. To that I just shake my head and have very little sympathy. You play your cards, you live with the outcome. And we often get sued just the same...
Rant over.
You think I Haven't done my own research?!? Who the hell are you to tell me what I have found is good for me and MY FAMILY!! Obviously YOU are the one who hasn't UNBIASEDLY researched what, when and how they produced these vaccines. This is America! Not Africa.
I do sincerely apologize for the offense of above comments. I really, really like kids to succeed in this world. They are our future. I feel that vaccines will help them succeed. I have seen some that didn't receive vaccines and what that meant for their future. It is very sad to watch, and has made my opinion on the matter weighted heavily in one direction.
I have done significant research on what is in vaccines, how they work, and all the controversy that surrounds them. Some were designed with cells from an aborted fetus in Sweden, which strict Catholic patients and some Jehovah's Witnesses see as inappropriate and against their belief system. The riskiest vaccine we give is the pertussis vaccine, but mostly due to reaction to the active vaccine ingredient, not it's solution. Being that B. pertussis infection can be life threatening due to airway impairment, we think the odds are much in the favor of the patient to receive a vaccine. Straight risk/benefit analysis. The link to autism was started by a doctor who was set to make millions by replacing the current vaccine with his own version. He has sent been stripped of all titles and worked over in court as the data was, uh, manufactured to put it politely.
I don't want to see these diseases in America. Have no interest in that at all. Being that most of us in medicine at all levels are on salary anyway, short stops for a poke administered by a nurse gains us nothing financially. Only 25-30% of what you spend actually goes to a physician on any visit. The rest is for the insurance companies (50-65%), administration, nurses, pharmacists, techs facility costs, etc. Not everything needs a doctor. Not by a long shot. But when it does, that's why we're here. To do everything we reasonably can to make our time on this planet more pleasant.
If nothing else, raise curious kids. Love them. Educate them. Beyond vaccines that is a 100x greater start than a lot are given.
Peace mate
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I have done significant research on what is in vaccines, how they work, and all the controversy that surrounds them. Some were designed with cells from an aborted fetus in Sweden, which strict Catholic patients and some Jehovah's Witnesses see as inappropriate and against their belief system. The riskiest vaccine we give is the pertussis vaccine, but mostly due to reaction to the active vaccine ingredient, not it's solution. Being that B. pertussis infection can be life threatening due to airway impairment, we think the odds are much in the favor of the patient to receive a vaccine. Straight risk/benefit analysis. The link to autism was started by a doctor who was set to make millions by replacing the current vaccine with his own version. He has sent been stripped of all titles and worked over in court as the data was, uh, manufactured to put it politely.
I don't want to see these diseases in America. Have no interest in that at all. Being that most of us in medicine at all levels are on salary anyway, short stops for a poke administered by a nurse gains us nothing financially. Only 25-30% of what you spend actually goes to a physician on any visit. The rest is for the insurance companies (50-65%), administration, nurses, pharmacists, techs facility costs, etc. Not everything needs a doctor. Not by a long shot. But when it does, that's why we're here. To do everything we reasonably can to make our time on this planet more pleasant.
If nothing else, raise curious kids. Love them. Educate them. Beyond vaccines that is a 100x greater start than a lot are given.
Peace mate
-T
I think vaccines are completely different story than the problem of many, many people going to the doctor way to often. Vaccines are good, going to the doctor for a cold not so much.
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