Ok well there are so many things going on here its crazy. Amazingly Christopher got it correct. Most people think that there is less o2 the higher you go up. This is INCORRECT. There is the same ammount of 02 there is just less of it in a given space.
We here in Reno see both HAPE and HACE all the time. People come from sea level and then drive to the mtns to go play. By mid afternoon they feel like they are drowning or having a stroke. It doesnt take long to get it. However the solution to 99% of the people we see with it, the solution is to just drop down to the valley floor. Going from just 9000' to 6000' usually is plenty to cure the problem. However prolonged exposure sometimes takes either a quick return to sea level or a hyperbaric chamber.
When you fellas that are feeling ill effects go the mtns it would be just as bennificial if not way better for you to SLEEP on say 2lpm of 02 as it would be for you to try and wear it when you ride. Look at mountaineers on the highest peeks in the world. They go through a grueling acclimatization ritual that includes working their a$$ off through the day and sleeping at higher elevation over and over again increasing the altitude as they go. They usually dont go onto o2 untill they reach the death zone. However if the are having a hard time getting acclimitized they will climb and work hard all day then sleep on the OZ at night. letting their body build additional red blood cells. That is the goal of acclimitizing. To build more red blood cells to carry more o2. So try blood doping it will help. LOL. Or you could just carry Dexamethasone. Look it up.
Like Mtnhorse said it doesnt truely matter how great of shape you are in high altitude sickness can affect anyone at anytime. Some of the best most expierenced fit climbers in the world have come down with it for no apparent reason IE Scott fischer and Gary Ball.
I feel the best thing you guys can do is to try and stay as low as you can. Keep aware of the signs and symptoms of both HACE (high altitude cerebral edema) and HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema) if signs or symptoms are present go down now.. If needed try sleeping on a couple liters per minute of oxygen. I would also suggest carrying some oxygen while you are on the mtn just for saftey.
As far as the hangover question oxygen might help you feel a little better but its not anywhere near a cure. If you have access to IV material then giving yourself a liter of fluid with a little b12 in it will make you feel 100% better. When I was in medic school we intentionally got smashed and hungover to feel the effects of the "banana bag". However we found that giving yourself a liter bag of saline immidiatley after drinking "Prevents" most of the hangover feelings.. Afterall most of the hangover effects are from dehydration. Anyway this is all expiermental and I no way am suggesting giving IVs or any medical treatments. This is just some make ya say hmmm scratch ur head stuff.
We here in Reno see both HAPE and HACE all the time. People come from sea level and then drive to the mtns to go play. By mid afternoon they feel like they are drowning or having a stroke. It doesnt take long to get it. However the solution to 99% of the people we see with it, the solution is to just drop down to the valley floor. Going from just 9000' to 6000' usually is plenty to cure the problem. However prolonged exposure sometimes takes either a quick return to sea level or a hyperbaric chamber.
When you fellas that are feeling ill effects go the mtns it would be just as bennificial if not way better for you to SLEEP on say 2lpm of 02 as it would be for you to try and wear it when you ride. Look at mountaineers on the highest peeks in the world. They go through a grueling acclimatization ritual that includes working their a$$ off through the day and sleeping at higher elevation over and over again increasing the altitude as they go. They usually dont go onto o2 untill they reach the death zone. However if the are having a hard time getting acclimitized they will climb and work hard all day then sleep on the OZ at night. letting their body build additional red blood cells. That is the goal of acclimitizing. To build more red blood cells to carry more o2. So try blood doping it will help. LOL. Or you could just carry Dexamethasone. Look it up.
Like Mtnhorse said it doesnt truely matter how great of shape you are in high altitude sickness can affect anyone at anytime. Some of the best most expierenced fit climbers in the world have come down with it for no apparent reason IE Scott fischer and Gary Ball.
I feel the best thing you guys can do is to try and stay as low as you can. Keep aware of the signs and symptoms of both HACE (high altitude cerebral edema) and HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema) if signs or symptoms are present go down now.. If needed try sleeping on a couple liters per minute of oxygen. I would also suggest carrying some oxygen while you are on the mtn just for saftey.
As far as the hangover question oxygen might help you feel a little better but its not anywhere near a cure. If you have access to IV material then giving yourself a liter of fluid with a little b12 in it will make you feel 100% better. When I was in medic school we intentionally got smashed and hungover to feel the effects of the "banana bag". However we found that giving yourself a liter bag of saline immidiatley after drinking "Prevents" most of the hangover feelings.. Afterall most of the hangover effects are from dehydration. Anyway this is all expiermental and I no way am suggesting giving IVs or any medical treatments. This is just some make ya say hmmm scratch ur head stuff.
