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BigAir

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I am having upper arm pain in my left arm when sitting and lying down, along with tingling in my left hand. I went to a chiropractor that was offering free x-rays, exam, and adjustment for new patients. He says I have a degenerating disc that is pinching the nerves going to my arm and my neck is way out of alignment. He has given me three adjustments so far, but none have helped at all with the pain. The pain is not severe, just dull and makes it hard to sleep. He wants to sign me up for a six week block of treatment, two times a week, with 45 minutes of physical therapy followed by an adjustment. Cost would be $1800. He also offered an adjustment only plan for $700. These are his low cost plans because I have no insurance and live 50 miles away. He says if I lived closer and had good insurance he would have me in three times a week. I have never been to a chiropractor before, so I don't know if this is reasonable or not. I have linked my x-rays. If anyone is a chiropractor or has experience and could give me their opinion I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

X-Ray pics
 
I am not an expert or anything of the sort, but I am studying anatomy and such. C5-T1 are your brachial plexus nerves(which all go to your arms), and it does appear that between your C5 and your C6 vertebra that your C6 disk is rather small and perhaps breaking down. Other than that I can't help much. Hopefully someone else here has some professional ability ha.

Also, I have had my neck and back out of alignment before, and my chiropractor can typically set me straight in one session. My parents and siblings are the same way(only needing one session), and my dad has 3 crushed disks in his back and one herniating in his neck.
 
I just got done getting $1300.00 worth of X-rays done at the local hospital because my chiropractors machine is broken, so I don't think that price is that bad.

I have been seeing a chiropractor for 17 years now after surgery was suggested for my problem and he has been able to help me, but this last time the disc moved the opposite way that it normally does :face-icon-small-fro

My suggestion for you is to see another chiropractor for a second opinion.
A good chiropractor can tell without x-rays if they can help you or not, they just need x-rays to know how to exactly adjust you.

JMO
 
This is my wives opinion, she's worked for an orthopedic surgeon for 28 years. If you go to the chiropractor once and it doesn't help stop going. Change your pillow, take anti inflammatory (Advil). PT usually helps.
 
Had almost the same thing for many, many years, and did the same thing you are doing, than had carpel tunnel operation done on the same arm for a different reason, guess what I have been pain free with no numbness for the past 5 years,,,,,,, might give a good doctor a try :yo:
 
This is my wives opinion, she's worked for an orthopedic surgeon for 28 years. If you go to the chiropractor once and it doesn't help stop going. Change your pillow, take anti inflammatory (Advil). PT usually helps.

My wife (RN) has similar advice. We prefer Aleve (Naproxin) though.
 
I would pass on the Chiro treatment for cervical spine/nerve/disk problems. If you experience significant muscle atrophy and/or muscle weakness or what your neuro surgeon would call "motor deficiency" you will have to consider ACDF surgery/spinal fusion BUT you want to first exhaust all other options and ACDF is absolutely last resort only. If the problems persist or worsen you should get an MRI.

Also proceed with caution on the predisone med pac as it really screws with your emotions.

I have had 3 of the epidural injections and it wasnt until the 3rd one that I had any relief. I have found 600 mg of ibuprofin and naproxin the best and have had good luck with a home traction device. Aspercream, hot showers, massage and accupuncture are helpful. Mininize stress. Stay very hydrated. Sleeping on your back is better than sleeping on your stomach.

Good luck with all this.
 
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My husband is the member on here, but I am a chiropractor and he had me read this. First of all, I wouldn't commit to any long term block of adjustments. You are then obligated to pay this, and then if you are not getting results after a few appointments it is wasted money. Any chiropractor should be willing to see you for individual appointments and not necessarily a block of appointments. It does look like some degenerative disc, but it could be a pinched nerve or disc herniation which does not show up on x-ray. Either of these can cause constant pain. Chiropractors CAN treat disc herniations. I would say though that if after a few treatments, you are not any better, pain and everything is still the same, it is probably best to move on and try something else.
 
I would pass on the Chiro treatment for cervical spine/nerve/disk problems. If you experience significant muscle atrophy and/or muscle weakness or what your neuro surgeon would call "motor deficiency" you will have to consider ACDF surgery/spinal fusion BUT you want to first exhaust all other options and ACDF is absolutely last resort only. If the problems persist or worsen you should get an MRI.

Also proceed with caution on the predisone med pac as it really screws with your emotions.

I have had 3 of the epidural injections and it wasnt until the 3rd one that I had any relief. I have found 600 mg of ibuprofin and naproxin the best and have had good luck with a home traction device. Aspercream, hot showers, massage and accupuncture are helpful. Mininize stress. Stay very hydrated. Sleeping on your back is better than sleeping on your stomach.

Good luck with all this.

My dad has the traction device too for his herniated disk in his neck(he had the tingles and numbness in his neck too) and he said it helps a lot. He just uses it 10minutes in the morning and 10 at night.
 
If you can stretch out more it will help..

I think Colorado and Washington... Could "smoke" that pain away!!
 
It sounds like a lot of us who have landed on our heads a few times growing up are no paying the price. I have a similar problem and symptoms. As the chiropractor said above I would not pay for a block of treatments for the reason she stated. I go to my chiropractor every once in awhile to get realigned. He always tries to get me to make more appointments but i just tell me i will give him a call when i need to get in to see him.

I would try physical therapy and anti inflammatory meds to see if you can treat it that way along with an occassional adjustment from your chiropractor. That seems to have helped me. Physcal therapist do have traction machines for the neck that might help relieve some of the pressure. I have had people tell me that I have a disc problem in my neck as well which may be true but if non surgical means can help relieve the ssues I am all for going that route. good luck<O:p</O:p
 
I had a c5, 6, 7 fusion/discectomy in June.

The one adjustment, one cure approach to chiropractic care is very accurate in reference to the over the handlebar, just heaved too much, what the crap was that type of immediate sharp pains associated with sledding. I have experienced many, and agree with the quick fix for quick pain.

However, my pains leading up to my surgery were very similar to the OP's. Mine were on the opposite side of the body and over a greater region, but very accurately described, especially the dullness and sleeplessness. I tried traction, accupuncture, chiropractic. MRI and nerve tests along with x-rays showed serious damage due to a early teen injury that had at the time been "treated to it's fullest". Twenty plus years later it kicked my butt.

I was amazed at the results of my surgery. I have had restored function and relieved pain that I was unaware I had been living with. Recovery and Rehab has been a long hard, frustrating road, but I have experienced absolutely miraculous results, my only regret was that I should have realized earlier that my body was trying to tell me I had huge issues developing.

My surgeon, as part of my rehab has referred me to a chiropractor, who contrary to the above posts, has me on a "block" program. This has been very beneficial, and keep in mind, has been guided by x-rays, etc., as part of a rehab of a LONG-TERM injury, not a snap, pop, fix this I have to get back to work today. We are focused on retraining muscles to my newly reshaped neck, and trying to eliminate some long term posture issues caused by symptoms of ongoing negelect on my part.

Bottom Line,

Short term fixes short term,

Long term may require long term,

I would NEVER enter a long term block without x-rays, etc and actual goals.

This long term block I am in has been necessary, and beneficial.

I have done a lot of crazy, spur of the moment things and thought I was conquering fear. The past six months has taught me that you don't know fear until you have a part of your body disconnected from your brain to the point of disfunction. Humility kicks in fast, and I now have a lot more respect for my spine and the critical job that it plays in everything we do.

Good luck, hope you find a cure.
 
I had c-5,6 and 7 fused 5 years ago and all it did for me was limit my mobility. I can't look down or up very good and when I try to turn my head to the left to look behind me I have to turn my whole upper body. The pain is still there and didn't really drop much after the surgery. I'm not happy with the whole outcome of this.

Ken....
 
there are the two extremes of having surgery for you. Obviously it works for some and not for others which is never a good thing to hear. I was one of the lucky ones with back surgery 15 years ago. I treated my back issue through the previously mentioned methods for 8 eight years prior to surgery and waited until my quality of life was effected before i made the decision to go under the knife. I fugred at that point if i couldnt walk before i had surgery the worst that could happen was i wouldnt be able to walk after which made my choice pretty easy. Again good luck with it and dont give up hope. Living in pain is not anyway to live for sure.
 
Ken, sorry to hear about that, would be extremely frustrating, mine was a recent technology and in the front of the spine rather than the back, actually increased my mobility. I never would have done it if there had been any options left, my Doc does a lot of surgery repairs, fixing scar tissue, etc. from surgeries gone bad if you are still looking for relief I can pm you his info.
 
There are some good comments on here and they are very consistent with consensus regarding most back and spine care. It is one of the most costly areas of care in America today. And while this area is difficult at best, there are some things coming from an allopathic (vs chiropractic or osteopathic) training make no sense to me:

1) Why, why, why would you let someone do aggressive and possibly dangerous maneuvers on your neck without better evidence of the actual injury involved when it is in pain? XRays show bone structure, to a degree, but show minimal if any signs of soft tissue damage from areas such as the ligaments and spinal cord itself. These are only visible on MRI (expense but the core of many neurosurg diagnoses). And some would argue surgery falls into this category. I would caution anyone going this route as well. It is, and should be, an approach of last resort. As noted by several on here, is not perfect but can be an absolute blessing to some. I know an old crusty guy that cried with joy after his back surgery as he was pain free for the first time in 20yrs.

2) The only part of a "long term plan" I buy into is PT. These are programs designed to work to strengthen and build around the ability of the patient, and are controlled by the patient themselves. BUT, they should never charge en bloc. Buying in advance is a tactic of cell phone and cable companies, and if we are all honest, none of us like being tied to a company for 1-2+yrs... Our rates would be better if we could leave a company at any time.

As a separate note, it is a bit hard to make a certain call on the XRays as they are written on over areas that well could be part of the diagnosis (if there was to be one). You still have good disk spacing, good alignment between the vertebra and no obvious signs of spondylolithesis (one vertebra sliding forward over the other). What I can't see with this image is if you do have stenosis (narrowing) of the canals where your nerves exit and are often pinched by formation of osteophytes (small bone growths) or lost disk space (noted I didn't see any). The AP (anterior to posterior) view of your neck is not as good a picture with regard to quality, and as such the facets (part of the vertebra where two levels connect to move-think joints of the neck), etc are hard to see. Again though, from what I can see, alignment looks good there as well.

I personally, with my own bias, recommend an MD clinic visit to a good primary care doctor in your area. Take the XRays with (no sense spending more and being radiated more than absolutely necessary) and see what his exam findings are. There may be a suggestion of what are called flexion/extension films that would help see if things move around when moving your neck. These are often helpful, so don't run from that. As a starting point to improve the attention of your physician, here are a couple things you could look at to show you're serious:

1. Know what dermatomes are affected in your arms. These are essentially "skin maps" of nerves and help determine which level is being affected. Print this out, circle or color in where you are weak, numb, etc. Your doc will be impressed and hopefully give a better workup.:face-icon-small-hap
http://www.backpain-guide.com/Chapter_Fig_folders/Ch06_Path_Folder/4Radiculopathy.html

2. Write down a daily journal of what/where/how you are affected. A good history is worth 90% of diagnosis most of the time.

3. Assuming you have no previous kidney damage, liver damage, or history of heavy reflux or GERD (gastroesophogeal reflux disease), anti-inflammatory medications from the NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) class are a good place to start to see if inflammatory processes are involved (likely to be). Depending on how big a guy you are will affect how much you can take at a time like all drugs. Personally, I would see if you could manage a course of alternated tylenol and ibuprofen/ Aleve. This allows maximum dosage of over the counter (OTC) medications. Ask about this at your visit as they'll have your vitals and past history to work with for safety...

I wish you the best of luck in resolving this issue. It is a long road for many and will take persistence on your part. One thing that I will note is that you will have to be your own advocate. Another is to STAY AWAY FROM OPIODS AS LONG AS POSSIBLE! It is a slippery slope to go down and will also affect the way you are viewed (sadly true) when you walk into a doctor's office or go to a ED (hopefully that won't happen). These are federally controlled drugs and prescribers must have contracts with long-term management on these drugs...and I could go on...:face-icon-small-con

-T
 
I don't know much but that AP, front picture, the last 2 on photobucket sucks major balls. Worthless in IMO. But I'm just a x-ray tech so I only know a quality picture, I can't "read" them.

Doubtful that a real Dr will accept those films, esopecially beign marked up, maybe if you can get new copies printed...or is that real live old fashioned film?
 
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