Aerocharger or Boondocker Kit?

[mountainhorse]

I've seen the quality of both kits... both are excellent in quality of components and execution of the kit.

Different approaches...but, IMO...both get the same job done.

 

[HandFullThrottle]

As far as the difference in the two turbo's, I tried for years to get the Aerocharger to work for sled applications. I ended up with a shop full of turbo's and parts. My shop looked like a Areocharger warehouse. I never could make the turbo work right or last for a full season. Came to my own conclusion that the self oiling design does not have a way to cool the oil and the oil gets heated up and burns up the bearings. This is just my opinion. Part of what help me come to this conclusion was that after I gave up on the Areocharger I started working with the Garrett and have never had an issue with this turbo. In fairness to Areocharger, I understand they have undergone some ownership changes and possibly improved dramatically from an engineering standpoint.

Another thing I want to point out is you can't compare a Silber kit to a BD kit. They are not the same and you can't get close to the same results with these two kits. One of the reasons the Silber kit is less money is they are using a cheaper Japannese turbo, not a Garratt turbo. They also don't have their own fuel system, they are buying someone elses box to fuel their kits. The options for fueling turbo sleds is fairly limited and even more limited in what works. This is why BD invested money in developing their own fuel system and the reason Boost-It has developed their own system.

Saying you can get the same results with both these kits is like saying you can buy a new car for 15K or you can buy a new car for 25K, they will both get you down the road and back and forth to work, why would anyone spend the extra 10K. The answer is engineering, parts quality, long term durability, tunability, just to mention a few. I have nothing against the Silber kit, it works great for what you pay for, but it's not a BD kit and it's not fair to BD to compare the two IMO. Like most things in this cruel world, you get what you pay for. If you have a budget of 4K to buy a turbo kit Silber is a good choice. If you have the budget to spend 6K on a BD kit you'll get a better kit with better parts and a custom fuel delivery system with more tunability which will provide better on the snow performance if you know how to tune.

 

[Boston Racing]

I believe most of your statements are infactual. More money does not equal more quality in every case. Money isnt the reason we chose to deal with Silber Turbos. The quality and performance are.

 

[Ed Fast]

turbo

I like the variable vein personally. I would go Areo

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

As far as the difference in the two turbo's, I tried for years to get the Aerocharger to work for sled applications. I ended up with a shop full of turbo's and parts. My shop looked like a Areocharger warehouse. I never could make the turbo work right or last for a full season. Came to my own conclusion that the self oiling design does not have a way to cool the oil and the oil gets heated up and burns up the bearings. This is just my opinion. Part of what help me come to this conclusion was that after I gave up on the Areocharger I started working with the Garrett and have never had an issue with this turbo. In fairness to Areocharger, I understand they have undergone some ownership changes and possibly improved dramatically from an engineering standpoint.

Another thing I want to point out is you can't compare a Silber kit to a BD kit. They are not the same and you can't get close to the same results with these two kits. One of the reasons the Silber kit is less money is they are using a cheaper Japannese turbo, not a Garratt turbo. They also don't have their own fuel system, they are buying someone elses box to fuel their kits. The options for fueling turbo sleds is fairly limited and even more limited in what works. This is why BD invested money in developing their own fuel system and the reason Boost-It has developed their own system.

Saying you can get the same results with both these kits is like saying you can buy a new car for 15K or you can buy a new car for 25K, they will both get you down the road and back and forth to work, why would anyone spend the extra 10K. The answer is engineering, parts quality, long term durability, tunability, just to mention a few. I have nothing against the Silber kit, it works great for what you pay for, but it's not a BD kit and it's not fair to BD to compare the two IMO. Like most things in this cruel world, you get what you pay for. If you have a budget of 4K to buy a turbo kit Silber is a good choice. If you have the budget to spend 6K on a BD kit you'll get a better kit with better parts and a custom fuel delivery system with more tunability which will provide better on the snow performance if you know how to tune.

there is SO much misinformation in this post it is almost painful. I also am VERY anti aerocharger and would rather run almost any other turbo presented to me. that being said, if you cant keep from blowing a turbo up for a whole season, your doing **** wrong aero or otherwise.


and your fuel solution comments are also painfully ignorant. Boost it doesnt even make it, they are the exclusive dealer for a product manufactured by SDS. Yes, boost it is a kick *** system. but they are using someone elses product tailored to there application, JUST like anyone running a dobeck box.

back to the thread.

Both of the kits are well put together for sure. If you can tune or have a dealer of one that is local your gonna have a good time. but IMO local support is worth its weight in gold as lots of times sled issues come up and make you think you got turbo kit issues and having someone who can help you through this stuff is seriously priceless mid season.

 

[jsandgren10]

As far as the difference in the two turbo's, I tried for years to get the Aerocharger to work for sled applications. I ended up with a shop full of turbo's and parts. My shop looked like a Areocharger warehouse. I never could make the turbo work right or last for a full season. Came to my own conclusion that the self oiling design does not have a way to cool the oil and the oil gets heated up and burns up the bearings. This is just my opinion. Part of what help me come to this conclusion was that after I gave up on the Areocharger I started working with the Garrett and have never had an issue with this turbo. In fairness to Areocharger, I understand they have undergone some ownership changes and possibly improved dramatically from an engineering standpoint.

Another thing I want to point out is you can't compare a Silber kit to a BD kit. They are not the same and you can't get close to the same results with these two kits. One of the reasons the Silber kit is less money is they are using a cheaper Japannese turbo, not a Garratt turbo. They also don't have their own fuel system, they are buying someone elses box to fuel their kits. The options for fueling turbo sleds is fairly limited and even more limited in what works. This is why BD invested money in developing their own fuel system and the reason Boost-It has developed their own system.

Saying you can get the same results with both these kits is like saying you can buy a new car for 15K or you can buy a new car for 25K, they will both get you down the road and back and forth to work, why would anyone spend the extra 10K. The answer is engineering, parts quality, long term durability, tunability, just to mention a few. I have nothing against the Silber kit, it works great for what you pay for, but it's not a BD kit and it's not fair to BD to compare the two IMO. Like most things in this cruel world, you get what you pay for. If you have a budget of 4K to buy a turbo kit Silber is a good choice. If you have the budget to spend 6K on a BD kit you'll get a better kit with better parts and a custom fuel delivery system with more tunability which will provide better on the snow performance if you know how to tune.

ask all the guys with the 2011 bad turbo kits how many burnt down to their fueling, its a ton. They did develop their newer 3d mapping that run good,but even those have hiccups that I've seen mainly a lot of slow speed running. And hope you know Garrett is no longer made in the US and have heard of plenty of Garrett turbos going down needing to be rebuilt. The only thing I preferred to change on my silber was to the boost it system. And I am less into that than a BD and would not hesitate to stack mine against one.

 

[turbonium]

ask all the guys with the 2011 bad turbo kits how many burnt down to their fueling, its a ton. They did develop their newer 3d mapping that run good,but even those have hiccups that I've seen mainly a lot of slow speed running. And hope you know Garrett is no longer made in the US and have heard of plenty of Garrett turbos going down needing to be rebuilt. The only thing I preferred to change on my silber was to the boost it system. And I am less into that than a BD and would not hesitate to stack mine against one.

Sorry to be a negitive nelly but my bd turbo went down twice in 2011 in 700 miles.
I took the turbo off after the second burn down.
Sux to have a big hole in your tunnel with no turbo...
This is not my opinion, this is what really happened.
I have had 2000 plus trouble free miles since. Except for a bunch of a-arms and stuff. Easy to see what happened.
Bd installed the turbo themselves.
I guess if you dont ride much you may not have any problems. Or maybe they fixed it. They did add injectors.
Both times it was at slow speed...
I was running 7lbs with 3 gallons of race gas just like they recomended.
It cost me a lot of money to learn a lesson.

Good luck. I hope what ever you choose works well for you.
Please share your experiences

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

i ran an hm kit last year for 4500km from 5.5 psi to 8 psi on pump gas 91 octane mostly at sea level and have had 0 issues, not one not two but 0.i like the aerocharger for their responsivness. With our standalone ECU, we are curing all of the fueling/timing/compensation/failsafe/detonation problem related to turboing a 2 stroke.

 

[theshadowrider]

Both kit have there advantages. Aero with self oiling self contained seems to be a cleaner install. I went with the bd kit for a couple of reasons. The ebc is awesome and I will never own a turbo without one. Especially the new tps ebc. For tree riding and linear power this is a must. Half throttle is half boost. If you have rode a turbo sled this will make sense. Makes power more linear. As stated before Garret's have parts and service all over the place. Lastly if you are the type that get bored fast get a bd kit. I thought I would just run 8 lbs but wanted something that could do more. Well after 3 seasons I am now running 15 lbs. it's per awesomeness. 8lbs to 10 lbs is for sissys. Biggest thing is make sure you buddies have turbos or its going to be lonely at the top!

 

[dmaxd2500]

i ran an hm kit last year for 4500km from 5.5 psi to 8 psi on pump gas 91 octane mostly at sea level and have had 0 issues, not one not two but 0.i like the aerocharger for their responsivness. With our standalone ECU, we are curing all of the fueling/timing/compensation/failsafe/detonation problem related to turboing a 2 stroke.

These are a couple reasons why I spent the money on Shane's kit. And the fact that he ONLY builds Polaris kits, no sharing R&D, test/tune time with other manfacturers. Oh yeah and the VIPEC, incredible technology with unmatched tuning capabilities, think of it as EFILive for your sled! Match that with the response and simplicity of the Aerocharger and the consolidated water to air intercooler and you have an unbeatable combination IMO. Shane is an excellent guy who really knows his stuff, give him a call.

Whichever kit you choose I hope it works out for you and you are a happy sledhead for years to come. As consumers we're all in this together, just trying to sort fact from fiction and as we all know, there is alot of fiction out there. Good Luck!

 

[Rocky]

There is no longer a parts or service issue with Aerocharger these days.. sent mine in, had it back quickly..free of charge...know of 50 some guys in our area who own them... no delays or unecessary charges for parts/rebuilds to my knowledge. Keep seeing this issue brought up and wanted to throw in my real world experience.

 

[Arcteryx]

ask all the guys with the 2011 bad turbo kits how many burnt down to their fueling, its a ton. They did develop their newer 3d mapping that run good,but even those have hiccups that I've seen mainly a lot of slow speed running. And hope you know Garrett is no longer made in the US and have heard of plenty of Garrett turbos going down needing to be rebuilt. The only thing I preferred to change on my silber was to the boost it system. And I am less into that than a BD and would not hesitate to stack mine against one.

Here we go! Silber, Silber!! Surprise! The Silber regulars bad mouthing Boondocker's and overhyping their own $hit! Do you really have any accurate data on these BD's you say burned down? Cause I seem to remember reading a heck of a lot more Silber burn down posts than BD posts last year.
If your considering a Silber do yourself a favor and do a search for threads from last year!

 

[jsandgren10]

Here we go! Silber, Silber!! Surprise! The Silber regulars bad mouthing Boondocker's and overhyping their own $hit! Do you really have any accurate data on these BD's you say burned down? Cause I seem to remember reading a heck of a lot more Silber burn down posts than BD posts last year.
If your considering a Silber do yourself a favor and do a search for threads from last year!

My comment was geared towards someone saying the quality parts are no where close to a bd and you won't get the same performance, so I just felt it right to show that BD wasn't all bells and whistles with no issues. If you do a search from early 2011 you will see a lot burned down. I know of 5 that burnt down prior to the updated mapping.

All sleds burn down if not installed right, etc. But for someone to claim the quality or performance is worse on a Silber over a BD its not a true statement. Of I were to choose between a bd or aero I would go hm aero because it is well designed

 

[Arcteryx]

My comment was geared towards someone saying the quality parts are no where close to a bd and you won't get the same performance, so I just felt it right to show that BD wasn't all bells and whistles with no issues. If you do a search from early 2011 you will see a lot burned down. I know of 5 that burnt down prior to the updated mapping.

All sleds burn down if not installed right, etc. But for someone to claim the quality or performance is worse on a Silber over a BD its not a true statement. Of I were to choose between a bd or aero I would go hm aero because it is well designed

I see. The statements by the guys that like their BD's are "not true" while those made by the Siber marketing club are factually accurate.
IMO if the two products were similar or performed similarly, the Silber marketing club wouldn't need to spend so much time attacking BD.

 

[cb2honk]

SHUT UP ALREADY!!! GEEZ!!

 

[Boston Racing]

I see. The statements by the guys that like their BD's are "not true" while those made by the Siber marketing club are factually accurate.
IMO if the two products were similar or performed similarly, the Silber marketing club wouldn't need to spend so much time attacking BD.

I represent Silber Turbos.....Have you ever seen me talk negative about the BD. I can sell you a BD kit if you like I just prefer the Silber stuff.


The "Marketing Club" is made up of happy owners. IMO that is who to get the best info from.

 

[2007dragonman]

sleds

just to add we have sold a 4 boondocker kits last year and 3 silber kits last year, they both work good, we did have some minor issue with the silber kits like control box issues and air box problems. Overall we really like the boondocker kits!

 

[RMK900Tractor]

I told him that I thought either would be good. I also asked if he considered a Silber. That not poaching...Thats trying to help a guy out. Im sure your BD kit runs great. So does my Silber, Only mine costs less and you dont have to cut a hole in the tunnel.

Beans, As I said earlier. If you get good good service you will be happy with either. Do yourself a favor and call all the turbo manufacturers or dealers on Saturday and Sunday and see who answers, May be best to do it at 5pm or so because that is usually when most folks are headed back to the truck. These are probably the days you will be riding and have issues.

Most of the kits are good. There is only a few with exceptional service.........

Here is my .02 worth. Boondockers, etc.... will not be answering on the weekend (nor do I expect them to). You will get guys who will answer on the weekend - but that is until they have your money in their pocket. Then the phone answering becomes less / none (weather it is a weekend or week day). Do your self a big favor - pick a kit from a ligitimate business that has regular working hours so when Monday comes around some one answers the phone. Don't forget about Push Turbo. Mike Schad (651-485-1905) helped me put when Silber would not.

 

[Boston Racing]

I have a real shop, real hours and a store full of inventory. I am not a fly by night operation. Just so we are clear.

 

[adam5187]

This is the first time I have dealt with Cory at boston racing, but it is not my first silber kit. I bought my first silber kit 3 years ago for my 700 from justin and the service was there when I needed it. Cory has called me back and helped me out with different options I am interested in, and seems like he acutually wants to talk to you. That goes along ways with me and I am in northern alberta canada. IMHO the kits all work well (when installed correctly) I just think that silbers is the best bang for your buck!! with that said I think we can all agree that these pros are going to rip this year, bring on the snow!