Abuse of trail fee collector person

[kanedog]

More and more the verbal abuse of booth attendants is occuring.
Why do people do this?
What can be done to stop this activity?
If you like to lose your chit at the attendent, what would make you stop?
Ie-Social media shaming? Live feed at the booth? Loss of instagram followers?
Any and all opinions welcome.


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[dragonflats]

Can't imagine why anybody would verbally abused a booth person. What's the story leading to the abuse?

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[kanedog]

Can't imagine why anybody would verbally abused a booth person. What's the story leading to the abuse?

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It's happened at three different clubs in our area. I was wondering how often it happens at other areas. No real back story. Just jerkoffs being jerkoffs. It might be the cheap locals and I have heard the riders involved in filming sled stuff. It's usually about paying trail fees.


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[dragonflats]

Video camera and a warning sign

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[89sandman]

Stop grooming and trail fees, works for me.

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

I would never verbally abuse a trailside booth person, but every time I would see a person in a booth collecting trail fees I couldn't help but think that I now live in a socialist country and am watching a true socialist collect their own wages in the same manner as the beggar on the street corner (I'm sure there's a better way). I presently pay $80.00/yr for registration of my sleds and OHV's or $400.00 over the last five years, I was told the new registration program would fund trail improvements, grooming, and the like. I have yet to see a groomer on the 10 miles of whooped out rutted trail I ride 60 times a year getting to the backcountry. Simply more socialist agenda money sucking BS. This year it appears they may have dipped into those funds to purchase a gate set very low on a forest service access road whereby they recently locked me and hundreds of others out of some awesome springtime conditions because a fire last fall supposedly made conditions so hazardous they feel they now have to protect me from myself, lack of guardrail, and extreme geotechnical springtime hazards (Guess what, big snow year and not a single avy, big boulder, or landslide in the hazard zone all year) who would have thunk that could of happened. I hope some of you see a bang for your buck or trail fee, not seeing any benefit in my part of the world, just more lame big brother Forest Service generated propaganda keeping me from enjoying the sport I love and live for.

 

[Jaynelson]

Around here the trail fees are collected by the local clubs...and the fees are used to support grooming, cabins and other club efforts. Almost always collected by volunteers. I don't see the big socialist agenda there.

I used to be the "don't groom it I'm super hardcore and don't care anyways" guy. But then I grew up and realized that I might want to bring my wife and little kids with me some day, and that having family-friendly areas/trails to cool areas is just as important as the usual sausage-fest.

 

[freefall]

canada eh

i may be wrong but i believe Kane pup is talking about canada

 

[turbolover]

The states and Canada run their trail programs quite differently.

In Canada (from my experience) the local club collects fees and grooms an area to help access for that area.

In the States, the trail fees are collected by the government and then dispersed back to a club or organization to groom an area. That money isn't always used for the maintenance and development of grooming programs. Lawmakers will put that money in the general fund and it has been used to cover expenses in other areas. It doesn't mean we get more money on a year that expenses are high, only that they can take it when ever they feel the need.

I had never encountered a trail side fee booth until I went up to BC.

 

[boondocker97]

The states and Canada run their trail programs quite differently.

In Canada (from my experience) the local club collects fees and grooms an area to help access for that area.

In the States, the trail fees are collected by the government and then dispersed back to a club or organization to groom an area. That money isn't always used for the maintenance and development of grooming programs. Lawmakers will put that money in the general fund and it has been used to cover expenses in other areas. It doesn't mean we get more money on a year that expenses are high, only that they can take it when ever they feel the need.

I had never encountered a trail side fee booth until I went up to BC.

My experience as well. Rode BC for the first time this year. Was a little confused about paying to park in the lot, but figured it out pretty quick that the club was collecting and using the funds. Never once got mad about it. One of the best maintained trails I have ever ridden on and there was a really nice cabin up top that was warm and stocked with firewood to use.

If they system is like in Canada and you abuse the booth attendant then you get no access. Not sure if you can legally do that, but I feel that's how it should be.

In Montana we now have trail passes we have to buy that are supposed to help pay for grooming, along with registration fees, and fuel taxes that are supposed to be given out for grooming and trail maintenance. If we all of a sudden got booths here to pay on top of what we have I wouldn't be happy. Especially if the trails didn't improve. I'm pretty cool-headed, but I'd probably voice my opinion once in a while when I had to pay to play under those circumstances.

 

[03RMK800]

Vail Pass has the toll booth. Haven't been there in years, but THINK they collect from both skiers and sledders. Used to be a lot of comments about how biased against sledders the rules and the USFS employees staffing the booth were. Haven't heard much of late.

 

[christopher]

Have never paid a trail fee anywhere in the USA.
Only seen this on our trips up north to Canada.


As for me, I have to run 3 state stickers on my sled.
Idaho, Wyoming and Montana as I frequently cross back and forth over state lines on any given day.


If I had to pay a trail access fee every time I rode on top of the 3 state registration fees, I wouldn't be too happy about it..

 

[Jaynelson]

FWIW in the Canadian system....the per-day trail fees for an area are negated by purchasing a club membership for that area. So if you go to Revelstoke and it's $20 per day and a membership is $120 it will take you 6 days to "pay it off" ...like a golf course membership, ski pass, or what have you. Not sure if those #'s are accurate for Revelstoke, but just an example.

 

[05900]

...like a golf course membership, ski pass, or what have you. Not sure if those #'s are accurate but just an example.

18 after 12pm | $195
18 after 3pm | $140

But a hell of alot cheaper

 

[Jaynelson]

^^ ouch you’re not kidding!! That must be a pretty primo course