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A little disappointed but optimistic.

Teth-Air

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The fit and finish looks great on my 16 AXYS 163 with the 2.6 track other than the cheap paint wearing off the running boards and spindles already. I have 3 rides on this machine in deep Revy snow and here is my results.

The engine feels really good, the throttle is light and after final break in this sled should be pretty fast. The steering was light, and the sled was easy to turn sharp donuts.

Stock gearing and clutch seemed pretty good but I will gear down to gain more control of the spinning track.

Buddy already wrecked 2 A-Arms and exploded a spindle so I believe these sleds are much more fragile too. He never wrecks anything on his other sled.

The track is far too stiff still and combined with the new "high transfer" suspension this thing trenches something terribly. My 2015 Pro was far out doing the 16 in this department. Every time I went into a sidehill the AXYS wanted to slip the rear down and go up the hill. I felt I was on a XM. When climbing the sled was out of control with skis in the air. It was much harder to sidehill slowly compared to my 15.

I had to loosen the front skid shock almost all the way, tighten the rear and ski shocks to improve this situation. This combined with rolling the bars forward a bit did help to get my weight over the motor.

With the suspension adjustments, the trail down was brutal.

I still think there is much improvement to be had but the way they are shipping these things will hurt their reputation as most guys don't play with suspension adjustments near enough.

Next I will try a shorter limiter strap and running the ski's in the middle position.

I talked to Chris Burandt and he said his suspension package fixes these things up a lot but I want to see how good we can get them using stock parts.

Chris also said that the track improve a lot when they soften up after some use.

Hope this helps and doesn't give guys a sour taste in their mouths.

We must remember that this is the first year on these new mountain sleds and let us remember how the 2008 XP was or how terrible the 2012 Cat was.

FYI one buddy has 155 x 2.6 and the other has 163 x 3.

The 3" and 2.6" are similar but the 3" is probably a bit more forgiving when it comes to getting stuck. None seemed to push like you might expect with the big tracks.

Chris
 
I pretty much agree. I love the power, so far I am very happy with the handling and I didn't change hardly anything, just set the RTS for my weight. I liked the bars forward to the "1" on the scale on my old Pro, I like it on this sled too.


I didn't have trenching problems. I actually felt like the "instantaneous lift" BS worked. Throttling up in bottomless pow had mine coming up out of the snow and I am 225 dry riding a 155 2.6. It was a different ride than the Pro because I could power it up out of the snow making it easy to make a direction change.


I agree on the marginal trail ride but I am not sure it was worse than the old Pro.


The lower a-arms are going to be a problem, and apparently when you fix the a-arm problem, it becomes a spindle problem... I bent one the second day out. Threw me off but shouldn't have bent the suspension IMO. I heated and straightened that arm and went riding. Did great all day until bad judgement found me stuffed in the creek bottom, off the machine again. Bent the previously damaged arm again in the same place. I made a second straightening attempt, no go, ended up with a good sized crack in it. Replacement on the way.


You can feel the designed in weak point on the lower arms. They went a little too far and I think there needs to be a redesign.


So some teething pains for sure. I still love it, more than the old sled, and I really loved those!
 
I pretty much agree. I love the power, so far I am very happy with the handling and I didn't change hardly anything, just set the RTS for my weight. I liked the bars forward to the "1" on the scale on my old Pro, I like it on this sled too.


I didn't have trenching problems. I actually felt like the "instantaneous lift" BS worked. Throttling up in bottomless pow had mine coming up out of the snow and I am 225 dry riding a 155 2.6. It was a different ride than the Pro because I could power it up out of the snow making it easy to make a direction change.


I agree on the marginal trail ride but I am not sure it was worse than the old Pro.


The lower a-arms are going to be a problem, and apparently when you fix the a-arm problem, it becomes a spindle problem... I bent one the second day out. Threw me off but shouldn't have bent the suspension IMO. I heated and straightened that arm and went riding. Did great all day until bad judgement found me stuffed in the creek bottom, off the machine again. Bent the previously damaged arm again in the same place. I made a second straightening attempt, no go, ended up with a good sized crack in it. Replacement on the way.


You can feel the designed in weak point on the lower arms. They went a little too far and I think there needs to be a redesign.


So some teething pains for sure. I still love it, more than the old sled, and I really loved those!

The bad ride was just due to the changes I made to the suspension to keep the front end down. The ride up was good before making these changes. My buddy with the 155 did not seem to have as much trouble with trenching but I thought it was just because he was a better rider. Maybe the longer tracks are worse although I would not have guessed that?
 
If you think the front end is in the air on the 155x2.6, you should see how bad it is on a 163x3 :)

Time to get my sled on the scales and start dialing in the suspension. I agree with every issue you stated.

I will also put the skis back to the center position. I would HATE to be one of the guys that wasted money on a 36" front end before they even rode the sled.

Not enough base for me to do much side hilling yet, I sure hope it didnt loose anything to the Pro because that thing will hold an insane side hill.

The engine flat out RIPS! Even with the set up issues I have going on it will still out climb the 174 T3's :) Eric
 
First negatives I've heard of other than bent a arms and broken spindles.

So what Chris Burandt's suspension fix?

High buck Fox shocks, Skinz Front End, and an ARC?



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I dont think any parts need replaced..... I think we just need a few rides in good snow to get it dialed in. We've had 5 year to make the Pro shine, I dont think a month on the Axys is too much to ask :) Eric
 
If you think the front end is in the air on the 155x2.6, you should see how bad it is on a 163x3 :)

Time to get my sled on the scales and start dialing in the suspension. I agree with every issue you stated.

I will also put the skis back to the center position. I would HATE to be one of the guys that wasted money on a 36" front end before they even rode the sled.

Not enough base for me to do much side hilling yet, I sure hope it didnt loose anything to the Pro because that thing will hold an insane side hill.

The engine flat out RIPS! Even with the set up issues I have going on it will still out climb the 174 T3's :) Eric

That thing will seriously out climb a t3 174? My wife was on one last year before I switched her over to a 163 axys with 2.6. I kind of wish I ordered her a 3 inch. I ordered the 2.6 because she isn't as diligent about keeping them cool. Her 174 t3 was the most insane thing I ever seen for a stock sled as far as going through deep snow. If it will out climb one it is definitely because of doo's fat boards and body and how much they drag in the snow.
 
That thing will seriously out climb a t3 174? My wife was on one last year before I switched her over to a 163 axys with 2.6. I kind of wish I ordered her a 3 inch. I ordered the 2.6 because she isn't as diligent about keeping them cool. Her 174 t3 was the most insane thing I ever seen for a stock sled as far as going through deep snow. If it will out climb one it is definitely because of doo's fat boards and body and how much they drag in the snow.

yes....But I have a pipe on too, so its not a stock to stock comparison. We do have 2 other 163x3 axy's that are 100% stock yet but only had 1.5 hours on them last weekend. I will know more in a few days. It will also help once we can get the front ends down.

I had originally ordered a 163x2.6 but changed my order to a 3.0 after getting to demo ride a 2.6. The axys runs cooler then the pro, no cooling issues with the 3". Eric
 
I'll chime in since I've got a few miles on the new 163x3" (350)


I did notice that while I normally ride soft setup all around on 14 & 15's, I am having to tighten the rear shock quite a bit to reduce lift. Not bad in good deep snow or straight open climbs, but when it hooks up with firm snow or you hit a vertical surface it's like riding in a rodeo. Was claiming a steep tight canyon and holy heck if I touched a wall it was crazy trying to hold on! With the back tightened up it has helped a lot.

On the other hand, I don't know why you're have probs sidehilling....the only time it turns up hill is if you hammer the throttle....a lot more power than the Pros so it'll turn up quick. Lower gearing might help with that. Personally I find the sidehilling to be superb and predictable once you're used to it. Spent a lot of time down low in the Cariboo trees making lines that you don't want to mess up on last week and felt really confident.

My $.02
 
every snowmobile track ive been around is most soft, pliable and flimsy when brand new.

but i know when the paddles slant toward the back it works better in powder, cat proved that one for a minute.
nice writeup!
 
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Wow these sleds suck. We have one guy disappointed because it trenches and wheelies to much and we have another guy coming off an XM disappointed that it does not wheelie enough? LOL
Funny!
I guess my 14 Pro will have to do for now.:face-icon-small-coo
Yeah, nice write up guys. Thanks.
 
I'll chime in since I've got a few miles on the new 163x3" (350)


I did notice that while I normally ride soft setup all around on 14 & 15's, I am having to tighten the rear shock quite a bit to reduce lift. Not bad in good deep snow or straight open climbs, but when it hooks up with firm snow or you hit a vertical surface it's like riding in a rodeo. Was claiming a steep tight canyon and holy heck if I touched a wall it was crazy trying to hold on! With the back tightened up it has helped a lot.

On the other hand, I don't know why you're have probs sidehilling....the only time it turns up hill is if you hammer the throttle....a lot more power than the Pros so it'll turn up quick. Lower gearing might help with that. Personally I find the sidehilling to be superb and predictable once you're used to it. Spent a lot of time down low in the Cariboo trees making lines that you don't want to mess up on last week and felt really confident.

My $.02

You may be right that I just need to get used to it to side hill. We did notice that moving the bars forward helped a bunch. Once I get it clutched and geared I expect I will get more control of it too.
 
Strange comments, im on the other side of these remarks, i find the suspension in the junk very compliant, i still havent found the upper limits on clutch weights, im presently at 70.5 ,, it comes over on its side stupidly easy, even if im sitting down i can ballance it on one ski, this unit has equalled my expectations so far.
My son has jumped over from a cat proclimb and his first comments were how compliant it was in the junk, he said best suspension hes ever been on for a stok sled. Jfyi im 165 hes 220. I just cant wait to get this unit on a long side hill and make this thing dangle
 
My only regret was ordering the short bars, im only 5 8 but my arm are short and the short bars killed my body, so i raised them 1 inch and now loving the change
 
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