A different M1000 turbo?

[bigbull]

Want to hear from the people who have tried other turbo options on the M1000 besides a 3071 Garret. Is there a turbo application out there that would run 5 pounds of efficient boost with super fast spool up and enough exhaust restriction to build power, but at the same time be large enough to remove enough heat?

I would like to build a M1000 using stock injectors and fuel pump, simple fuel pressure return line (I.E. Boondocker type), and Boondocker ADA box that is already in existence. No innercooler. Is there such a possibility? Has anyone done it?

I love Twisteds setup and prefer that for most applications on the M1000. Boondockers PG setup uses the 3071, but otherwise is similar to what I listed above. I want better clutching too, just set up for 5 pounds of boost as well, I dont want clutching that can cover a 7 or 8 pound range of increase/decrease. But this idea has really got my mind going right now. Anyone else interested in something like this?
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[product tester]

big bull what you are looking for is a 2876

 

[smoothdawg]

I just installed an OVS kit that is set up for 5-6 lbs. of boost. It is an aerocharger 66 series turbo. It is on an 09 M1000. I hope to have the first ride on it this weekend. I will pm you with HONEST results. Clean set up. Call Travis 801-940-7777 at OVS.

 

[twsandrew]

HTA 2868. Spools increadibly fast and will push more lbs per min than a 3076 if needed. Spendy but worth it. Every turbo kit should offer this now

 

[RockyMtn.Kris]

I cant offer much, Ive been on the fence on this one for awhile. I hope you build one, Im all ears. Why build one when you can have two at twice the price right??

 

[bigbull]

big bull what you are looking for is a 2876

Have you got seat/test time on one? Developed a map for one? I have a bunch of guys interested in this.
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[bigbull]

HTA 2868. Spools increadibly fast and will push more lbs per min than a 3076 if needed. Spendy but worth it. Every turbo kit should offer this now

I have not heard of this turbo. What makes it spool faster but still allow the pipe pressure to exit properly? Have you played with one yet? Anyone running one?
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[bigbull]

I just installed an OVS kit that is set up for 5-6 lbs. of boost. It is an aerocharger 66 series turbo. It is on an 09 M1000. I hope to have the first ride on it this weekend. I will pm you with HONEST results. Clean set up. Call Travis 801-940-7777 at OVS.

I have had an OVS system before with an Aero. Not sure if I want to go back to that. But that being said, since you are local, I am very interested in hearing your results. I rode one of the first 66 series on an M1000 that obviously was not dialed in properly and I think had fuel pressure issues. PM me when you get results and I will send you my cell #
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[Hardass]

I'm interseted my next thing is going to be a turbo but on lower boost if it works .real good I think bigg bull is on the right track.Even though it's a turbo i want that big bore feel to it. Is that possible?

 

[twsandrew]

2868 is a forced performance 2860 with a billet compressor wheel and tial turbine housing. I have seen its big brother run on zeb's sled with amazing results and feel the 2868 is the right turbo for most everything. It comes on faster than a 2860 and flows more air than a 3071. Push is using them in their kits. Hobbes has one on his Apex and I will have one on an Apex next year. Basically the auto guys that have gone to tial housings have now taken the next step to the billet wheels with great results.

 

[Tonysnoo]

big bull what you are looking for is a 2876

I have a big bore M7/1000 that I am running that GT2876-2 turbo. Even at 8psi boost it only has about 5 psi back pressure. I know it's not the same motor or porting, but its working really well for me on a 1000cc. If you look at the maps comparing the 2876 and 3071, the 76 had a bit of advantage on the low end without sacrificing big end.

I'm running carbs so, don't know about the EFI part of the equation. I ran a bigger pump for safety. I think my stock pump was going to be marginal at 240HP if I remember correctly.

Hope this might help and good luck on your project.

 

[Boyko]

I have a big bore M7/1000 that I am running that GT2876-2 turbo. Even at 8psi boost it only has about 5 psi back pressure. I know it's not the same motor or porting, but its working really well for me on a 1000cc. If you look at the maps comparing the 2876 and 3071, the 76 had a bit of advantage on the low end without sacrificing big end.

I'm running carbs so, don't know about the EFI part of the equation. I ran a bigger pump for safety. I think my stock pump was going to be marginal at 240HP if I remember correctly.

Hope this might help and good luck on your project.

Do you mean 13psi in the pipe @ 8 pounds of boost?

It can not see how there would only be 5psi in the exhaust, something is wrong.

Whats the A/R on the turbine side

 

[Rms Rydning]

I cant see the reason for running turbo with only 5lbs of boost.May be if you run at very hige elevation like 12000ft.
A well ported/piped and tuned NA sled will do the job for less money and hasle..I have a M1200 i run out of fuel at 4500ft and below....And a very well build and tuned 1000 is out of fuel at see level...

 

[bigbull]

I cant see the reason for running turbo with only 5lbs of boost.May be if you run at very hige elevation like 12000ft.
A well ported/piped and tuned NA sled will do the job for less money and hasle..I have a M1200 i run out of fuel at 4500ft and below....And a very well build and tuned 1000 is out of fuel at see level...

Apparently you have not rode a M1000 at 6 pounds of boost, properly ported and set up.
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[twsandrew]

Agreed with you BigBull. In deep snow on a long hill there is a big diff. Friend bought a M1200 NA last year and I turned my TM1000 all the way down up and Tony's and he said he felt like he could walk beside his sled up a hill after riding mine. 1200 big bore is no joke and it got up everything but the speed difference was gigantic. Shortly after he converted to a 1000 turbo. Granted my sled only goes down to 8 or 9 lbs but those of us who have been around a lot of turbos will never agree with the big bore vs turbo arguement. I personally think low boost pump gas setups are a waste just because of how much more fun a turbo is pushing big boost. I know pg 2 stroke sleds are fairly reliable now etc but ride one and then ride the same sled at 12-14 and you will never go back. Now Impulse's PG Nytro is another story all but I haven't been impressed by a single PG 2 stroke setup

 

[hatchers]

Apparently you have not rode a M1000 at 6 pounds of boost, properly ported and set up.
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very true, seen it, rode it, loved it

 

[bigbull]

Maybe I should give background. I have built numerous package 2 stroke turbos, OVS, Boondocker, Combos, and some from scratch. Garretts and Aero's both. And now, pump gas and race too. I have never been impressed with pump gas (and I own one) until I rode the M1000 at 6 pounds. Granted, I would ride it with some race gas at that poundage, but it was really good, controllable, and tons of fun and doable in the trees if it would have been specifically clutched. I want to improve on what I rode BEFORE I build one.
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[cpatts2000]

I cant see the reason for running turbo with only 5lbs of boost.May be if you run at very hige elevation like 12000ft.
A well ported/piped and tuned NA sled will do the job for less money and hasle..I have a M1200 i run out of fuel at 4500ft and below....And a very well build and tuned 1000 is out of fuel at see level...

I have a m1000 turbo that i can turn down to 4lbs and I guarantee it will put the smack on your 1200, I had a 12 last year and there is a huge difference. It is more money, but well worth it.

 

[Tonysnoo]

Do you mean 13psi in the pipe @ 8 pounds of boost?

It can not see how there would only be 5psi in the exhaust, something is wrong.

Whats the A/R on the turbine side

yup, that is exactly right. I just assumed most folks would know the math.

It's a .86

 

[Rms Rydning]

Apparently you have not rode a M1000 at 6 pounds of boost, properly ported and set up.
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At my elevations a PG M1000 is out of fuel at 4-5psi boost. And goes Identical to a very vell build M1000 ported with twin pipes.
Ay sea level the the max hp is 215bhp at 0,62 BSFC. So it doesent mather if you run turbo or not, when the fuel is the limeting factor.

If you run at 10-12000ft. The modifyed NA M1000 is only 160 true hp, And the turboed will still be way more.

I ride mostly from 0-3000ft THATS why I can state that no reason to buy a PG M1000...