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A couple stranded for second night at Greenwater?

Thank you to everyone who helped us off the mountain

I do more reading than writing on snowest and I have read all of the post regarding the safe rescue of my girlfriend and myself. First of all; I have the upmost respect and gratitude to everyone who worked to assist us off the mountain especially Karl and Josh with Seattle mountain rescue who walked in several miles on snowshoes late into the night. I am not going to bash anybody’s effort or decision to help us, because they were all volunteers and did the best job they could and it was a GREAT JOB they did (PERIOD). Anyone can be a critic of others, but it's often too easy to judge the efforts of others than it is to judge ourselves. I and Rene'e are extremely grateful for my friends Bill, Curt, Dan, Ron and Phil for their efforts, knowledge, and commitment to do what they could to get us home. Bill was especially committed and dropped everything he was doing to make sure we got off of that mountain. I know Bill would have spent a week out there to get us home, if that's what it took, and I don't doubt that for a minute. Yes; there were decision that I made that can be scrutinized, but without knowing ALL of the details; please respect my knowledge, skills and commitment to the sport of snowmobiling and realize that, though I did make a few questionable decisions to be out there with an inexperienced rider in that terrain, I do push the limits of others to make them stronger and if the coin was flipped; I would have been out there all night rescuing my friends regardless of errors in judgment. We all make mistakes and for each decision we make; there is either a consequence or a reward. We suffered a consequence of spending two cold nights on the mountain; however I also feel we were rewarded by spending two nights on the mountain and we came home alive because of my knowledge, and ability to not panic and make rational, logical, safe decisions to keep us alive. I guess you can say I handed myself some lemons and I chose to make lemonade out of what I had, and being properly prepared, helped us stay alive. There is a lot more to the story than most of you know including my girlfriend getting injured. I wasn't ever trying to save my life, because I never thought for a minute that I would die on that mountain. I chose to save my girlfriend who simply could not continue on in those extreme conditions. We had plenty of food and water and even had a small fire and of course, shelter. Nevertheless it was extremely cold and I was concerned for her safety to spend another night out there when it got late Monday night. I could have possible road out or I could have walked out for sure alone, but I was not about to leave someone to die because of my earlier decision to drive on. Nevertheless; I want to again, thank each and every one who helped us get home and I am not going to criticize anyone for their efforts or tactics to get us home. THANK YOU EVERYONE------ JOB WELL DONE!!!!<O:p</O:p
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Did they get their sleds out yet I seen two sleds on the Green Pass trail !!! Nobody around figured these were their sleds !! Hope all is Weel with the stranded !! God Bless !!
 
Here's a serious question - are they charging for rescues?
I know there was a lot of talk about that after the incident on Mt. St. Helens but not sure if they are now?
Two years ago I got my sled caught upside down in a tree well, up near the tree line, on Mt. Adams with less than an hour of daylight left and riding alone (yeah, I know). I'd already made the decision to camp and not call for help because I was broke and jobless. It worked out - I dug like crazy and got out, but I personally think the whole charging for rescue thing is going to cost someone their lives if the costs are accurate (in the thousands of dollars) that I've seen. So... HELL YEAH I'd rather have SnoWest members coming for me rather than the Sheriff S&R!

My 2 cents,

G MAN
 
Here's a serious question - are they charging for rescues?
G MAN

No charge - SAR Volunteers ride their own sleds and pay for their own fuel (costs a lot to drive 3.5 hrs each way)

Kittitas Co. SAR does have 4 sleds for their deputies to use. Paid for out of donations. Don't think we buy the latest, greatest Mountain Sled....Think more what hauls a patient in a litter, a passenger (hiker), gear, etc......Budget only allows one new sled every 3 or 4 years....This year it was a two-up - Ski-Doo 600......

In Glenns situation, 4 sleds got close to him when the hiking started. 2 were Kittitas County SAR members and 2 were "Mountain Rescue". Mtn Rescue is a private organization made up of main skiers and climbers. They probably don't have the best Mountain sleds either......BUT, the Mtn guys had snowshoes with them and that made all the difference this time.
 
That sheriffs office should model their S&R after ours. We have of course a search a rescue team from the sheriffs office with old heavy sleds and inexperienced riders. Then we have a group of volunteers who know how to ride and have new mountain sleds that actually do the hardcore searching. We go out as teams with 1 sheriff with 2-3 experienced riders. The sheriffs dept has training 3-4 times each winter for us so we are equipped to handle most emergencies as well as protocol. The dept is taking us to the high country this weekend where we will be sleeping outside and going on a night search.
 
That sheriffs office should model their S&R after ours. We have of course a search a rescue team from the sheriffs office with old heavy sleds and inexperienced riders. Then we have a group of volunteers who know how to ride and have new mountain sleds that actually do the hardcore searching. We go out as teams with 1 sheriff with 2-3 experienced riders. The sheriffs dept has training 3-4 times each winter for us so we are equipped to handle most emergencies as well as protocol. The dept is taking us to the high country this weekend where we will be sleeping outside and going on a night search.

YES!!! exactly, if you want to get involved, that's great, and this is the way to do it. Get together with the local S&R and be part of solution. A bunch of guys wondering around the woods wether they are the best riders in the world or not, does NOT help out the situation. It needs to be a coordinated effort with structure and protocols or you are asking for somebody to get into trouble. And don't think that if you and a couple buddies fire up the sleds and go out on your own to "help" search that you cannot be sued....Once you commit to help, you can be legally liable if something goes wrong, but if you are part of an organization like S&R, you and your equipment can be covered under their insurance. Get active with your local rescue groups and get some training....the life you save, may be your own!
 
YES!!! exactly, if you want to get involved, that's great, and this is the way to do it. Get together with the local S&R and be part of solution. A bunch of guys wondering around the woods wether they are the best riders in the world or not, does NOT help out the situation. It needs to be a coordinated effort with structure and protocols or you are asking for somebody to get into trouble. And don't think that if you and a couple buddies fire up the sleds and go out on your own to "help" search that you cannot be sued....Once you commit to help, you can be legally liable if something goes wrong, but if you are part of an organization like S&R, you and your equipment can be covered under their insurance. Get active with your local rescue groups and get some training....the life you save, may be your own!
Well Said.
 
great one

Yes , a bunch of us went up on friday and got glens sleds. nice day up there, way different than the sunday and monday when they got snow'd in. Nice ride out for sure, no damage, no problems.
thanks
 
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Its amazing how many people say why didn't they let me know i could of done it in half the time. Any one of you can join SAR if you wanna step up to the plate if not please stay home we are already looking for one person you'd just make it 2. As far as not knowing the country my unit has a better first hand knowledge of our local backcountry than most anyone around. I can not speak for those units up there but I'm sure they have competent members with up to date equipment. Before y'all go and start your snowest sar maybe you should man up and dedicate hundreds of hours in training and thousands of dollars in equipment that we do. Jr Schenk Cache County Sheriffs Search and Rescue member and EMT. Just sayin
 
Its amazing how many people say why didn't they let me know i could of done it in half the time. Any one of you can join SAR if you wanna step up to the plate if not please stay home we are already looking for one person you'd just make it 2. As far as not knowing the country my unit has a better first hand knowledge of our local backcountry than most anyone around. I can not speak for those units up there but I'm sure they have competent members with up to date equipment. Before y'all go and start your snowest sar maybe you should man up and dedicate hundreds of hours in training and thousands of dollars in equipment that we do. Jr Schenk Cache County Sheriffs Search and Rescue member and EMT. Just sayin

Man up? Maybe they don't need hundreds of hours of training and thousands of dollars of equipment to do the same thing. just sayin
 
Yes , a bunch of us went up on friday and got glens sleds. nice day up there, way different than the sunday and monday we they got snow'd in. Nice ride out for sure, no damage, no problems.
thanks
would i take a left on the 1913 rd to go up to the Blowout Mountain area from the cabin
or is there a faster way
 
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Its amazing how many people say why didn't they let me know i could of done it in half the time. Any one of you can join SAR if you wanna step up to the plate if not please stay home we are already looking for one person you'd just make it 2. As far as not knowing the country my unit has a better first hand knowledge of our local backcountry than most anyone around. I can not speak for those units up there but I'm sure they have competent members with up to date equipment. Before y'all go and start your snowest sar maybe you should man up and dedicate hundreds of hours in training and thousands of dollars in equipment that we do. Jr Schenk Cache County Sheriffs Search and Rescue member and EMT. Just sayin

Do you ride a sled in the backcountry? if no then maybe you and your unit should get some training.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sled-Guy-Adventures/136137443092908
http://www.mountainskillz.com/who-is-matt/
http://www.riderasmussenstyle.com/


We have spent thousands of hours training in the backcountry on riding skills,sled recovery getting injured people out as safe as possible. First aid,proper navigation skills and equipment necessary. We all share are stories and experiences with each other. Lessons learned. As far as money goes, oh yes iv spent money on equipment. Does your unit carry avy bags an a avalung while doing a search in the back country? I know of 2 peeps on this forum that have went to help search and rescue because they couldnt get to the lost and injured. It became a body recovery. So dont get on here and think your gonna talk down to everyone on here because you think were not capable or have yur training that we cant do what it is you do.

As far as this situation, there is a few ways to get to them in less time by not using the fs roads.
 
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Glad everyone is safe first off.

2nd I would be willing to help in S&R events like this. I carry ski touring gear so when the sleds cant go any further, there is not too many places I cannot get in a decent amount of time with climbing skins, which in my experience are much faster than snow shoes.

Buying equipment has nothing to do with it, its the experience of using it everyday.
 
Its amazing how many people say why didn't they let me know i could of done it in half the time. Any one of you can join SAR if you wanna step up to the plate if not please stay home we are already looking for one person you'd just make it 2. As far as not knowing the country my unit has a better first hand knowledge of our local backcountry than most anyone around. I can not speak for those units up there but I'm sure they have competent members with up to date equipment. Before y'all go and start your snowest sar maybe you should man up and dedicate hundreds of hours in training and thousands of dollars in equipment that we do. Jr Schenk Cache County Sheriffs Search and Rescue member and EMT. Just sayin

You certainly wrong about their equipment. What state are you from?
 
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would i take a left on the 1913 rd to go up to the Blowout Mountain area from the cabin
or is there a faster way



Yes, over pyramid , or thru the cabin down to the 19 road, than left on the 1913 and away you go, it gets really blown in up there, you have to know how to get around the drifts ect, in many places the road is totaly gone and drifted in, , have to go up and round thru the pac crest trail to get thru, Or you can come in thru Stampede / Crystal springs or Easton reload, up over tacoma pass, down the 52 road twards lester than cut back left up to greens pass 1913 road again,
 
Seems like there is an awefull lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda going on. The fact is, the dude was prepared to spend the night (like we all should be) and unfortunately he had too. Good on him for being prepared.

Bashing S&R won't get us anywhere. S&R members getting on here and spouting off won't solve anything either.

My experience with S&R (I work for a fire department) is that they are a little slow to get going. similiar to a volunteer FD. Typically, when a community wants to have better service from the FD they have to pay up to have "career firefighters". We could buck up and pay for S&R to stand by 24/7 waiting for us to call---or we can have volunteer S&R and realize that they will take a little time to assemble. Its all about the dollars.

Reviewing an incident afterwards (after action review) is the best way to be ready for the next one. You can bet S&R would respond differently if they had a repeat of the same incident.

I for one am thankful that they are willing to haul there azzes out of bed to come assist me if I need it. I've been doing that since 1988 as a volunteer FF.

I can tell you this--If Joe public walked up to me at a structure fire and said--hey, I've been in that house before. I know where Johny's room is. I can take you right there if you want me too. I would politely say no thank you and continue on with my duty.

My point is, how does Joe S&R command know if you know the area, can ride safely, have avy training, have a mechanically sound sled, have appropriate gear and the list goes on and on. Just because you say your good to go does not mean you are! How are they to know.

Can't blame them for not accepting your help----you could be a liability for all they know.
If I were in there shoes, I would politely say no thank you!

BigT
 
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well said Big T. I'm in the same boat, career FF, and volunteer in charge of my volunteer dept. offroad rescue. I've been on many rescues with and without the S&R. On more than one occasion, we've had folks show up to "help" and we end up spending precious time getting them lined out and keeping track of them that we could be dedicating to the actual rescue. Similar to trying to herd cats....so that's why I say, if you want to help, join up with you local S&R or rescue dept. and be part of the solution.
 
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