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8 missing in avalanche near fernie

Just read the latest article on the cover of the Globe & Mail...I'm absolutely speechless!

R.I.P. to those who were lost, my heart filled condolences to all family and friends...and the utmost respect for the heros that tried to save their buddies that ultimately had to make the hardest decision one would ever be forced to make! I can't even imagine:(
 
I take all the precautions, beacon, shovel, abs and courses.

I disagree with those that make it sound like they don't expose themselves to high risk terrain. I truly believe every time we are out we are at significant risk. It scares me to hear guys talk like they don't go where it is dangerous. I think this shows a general lack of awareness to the inherent danger we face at ALL times

You educate yourself and do your best to minimize the risk. But I really hope if I go, people don't second guess or judge my decisions without any knowledge of the actual conditions we faced. Please realize it could have been any one of us, "expert" or inexperienced. These trajic events can strike when least expected.

Excellent Post!!!!!!!

BackCountry Sledding is a dangerous sport
 
I am so sorry for the loss of these young men.. My heart breaks knowing that their loved ones lives are changed forever. May we all learn from this and not let their deaths be in vain. Beacons are best used for body retrieval. They do not protect us in case of an avalanche. The part of this story that bothers me is they were in a Big bowl with wind loaded cornices ( this taken from what I have read.) Let's review what we have learned. Big snows.... Wind Loads.... Stay on the flats... No hill is safe so don't tell me that you have spot, or beacons, probes and all the gear and then be caught in an area that we are not supposed to be in! STAY OFF THE HILLS UNTIL THE RISKS GO DOWN. We have 14 testimonies with their own lives of the risks we take. Before you pin it and try to highmark your buddy think of your kids and wife at home and BE SAFE
 
R.I.P.

Thoughts: In re; to some responses regarding Avy training and equipment. Of course this wont save you every time and is not a bullet proof vest with a Superman logo on the front...however as a former US Navy dive team member I will tell you that the beter your equipment is and the better your knoiwledge is and the better your training is the better your odds. The harder you sweat in training the less you will bleed in combat!

For those few that want to silence others here for talking about having equipment and training..give it a break as their point is valid!

As far as Government regulations..well I dont always get along with the big brother mentality but in light of the ease of buying a snow machine/snowmobile that with current techknowledgy can get you to places where you probably should not be, just maybe it has room for its purpose.

WASSA and others take note!

IDEA 1.With the purchase/registration of any sled some minimal training of rules and skills would not hurt anyone.

I have seen first hand riders with riding skills that dont have mountain savvy do some piss poor crapola. I have had some cut sidehills above me while I was helping someone get a stuck sled out of the botom of a ravine...he saw me and I had a come to Jesus meeting with the young man..he understands now. This is just one example. As a former mountain rescue team member I have scraped up two young guys after they had a head on, helmet to helmet in the snopark. Hotrodding in a snopark..WTF over!They both lived with serious head trauma...hill climbers dead after going down hill with no runout and splattering the 16year old brain on a tree. Extreme speed and dead after going under a fallen tree on a groomed trail and forgetting about it on the way out. BTW..this was all in the same month the same year...these are the medical emergencies that you dont hear about in the news.

IDEA two(if no. 1 isnt inplace): As a industry we can self police ourselves...Personally if you dont have basic equipment for survival I wont ride with you and dont need you around me or my people! If you have a friend that wants to ride with you but doesnt have the basics let him stay at home. You are not helping him if you dont and you are not much of a friend to show disregard for the lives of those you call friends. If you are a parent and have a son or daughter that rides a snowmobile in any mountain terrain find out what they have for gear..I dont give a rats arse how old they are...they are still you kids! No gear yank the sled!

. READ this report http://www.nwac.us/text_version/Revised_Blewett_Pass_Avalanche_12_17_03.htm

I was on this rescue/recovery call out. 1 His Friends all had beacons he didnt..2 his parents were going to get him one for Christmas. 3. He rode up a known Avy chute. All avoidable!
The beacon should have been a requirement. His friends should have not let him ride there. He should have NOT went up that chute. With the right equipment his chances for survival would have been better..maybe not..but if you go into a combat situation the better your weapons are and the better your training the better your odds at survival period!

With the purchase of any new sled...with the price of a new sled the dealers could take some responsibility and add in at dealer COST a beacon pack probe and shovel. Or maybe some other way to get basic gear with out someone making a huge profit on basic stuff. Maybe WASSA and other state snowmobile organizations can get together as a group and do a big group buy on beacons and shovels sell them at cost. lets get the damn tools out there.

Dont pack your stuff only in your sled...your sled gets buried and your shovel is in it doesnt help anybody. Have it in your backpack with some extra gloves and your probe.

We need more ideas how to better equip and prepare our mountain riders. If you leave it to the individual it will be a cluster f*&%

Snowest Administrators: Have a perment write locked heading at the top of each state heading and the top of heach snowmobile heading with the direct link to the coresponding states AVALANCHE REPORTS.

WASSA and others...Large AVY Reports posted at trail heads with the trail maps and rescue radio frequencies. Maybe something simple..we shur know how to do it for fire danger! Large sign that just says AVY danger High or moderate or Extreme..keep it simple

These are just ideas and they all can be improved on..we have to get something started somehow.
 
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Very sad to hear this!!

The men/hero's who made it out IMO made the rite choice, toughest choice but the right choice. Best wishes to all those involved and their families/friends.
 
Heart hurts for the friends and families. Makes me question how close I have come to a trajedy like this. R.I.P.:(:confused:

Be prepared and treasure each day.
 
The part of this story that bothers me is they were in a Big bowl with wind loaded cornices ( this taken from what I have read.) Let's review what we have learned. Big snows.... Wind Loads.... Stay on the flats... No hill is safe so don't tell me that you have spot, or beacons, probes and all the gear and then be caught in an area that we are not supposed to be in! STAY OFF THE HILLS UNTIL THE RISKS GO DOWN

I am having a hard time with this too. It sounds as though these lives where waisted due to negligence. If one person is stuck in an avalanche "zone" only 1 other person at the most should attempt to help. Thier was no need for 8 sledders in a spot like that at the same time. Maybe I missed something. Sorry to all the friends & family of this traggic event. Please people ride safe and come home alive. So you can brag to all your non riding buddies how great of a time you had. RIP friends.............SRXtreme
 
Even though this site is often filled with arguments and insults, and even though I have never met most of you, I jus want to say that I want all of you to have a safe sledding season and to live to ride another year. We're a family of sorts (even if it is a dysfucntional one) and I don't want to have to read about any more of us losing our lives.
My heart goes out to those who died and the ones they left behind. You will be in our prayers.
To everyone else: Be safe. Ride smart. Let's not lose anymore of our brothers and sisters.
Superjag
 
I know all of these boys as I ride with most of them and live near the rest. One of the guys had a "Spot" and sent a help mess to my cell phone. These guys were just out for a road ride and it is unclear why they went where the went and why. What your reading is not correct. They new their stuff and had ALL the LATEST safety equip. They decided to stay to help a sledder in need and paid the price. They are heros and I thank those who think so. For thoughs who think avy courses and ABS packs and digging test holes will save you from death, are fools. One abs pack was deployed on the first avy. What do u do on the second one? And by the way there was another one before they left their friends. And there was another before they got out. I have dug test holes that were good and another 20 feet away that was bad.I have seen slides in the trees and on small meadow hills, Give me a break, its not a exact science and if you want to trust these so called avy experts that forcast from afar, You go ahead, but not me. These boys new the risk and decided to take them for a REASON!

Wow. I respectfully disagree in that avalanche courses do not help save lives. I've been involved in numerous avalanche accident investigations and while a small number involve people who have proper avalanche skills the majority involve people who didn't have proper avalanche safety knowledge.

I'm not speculating on the people involved in this accident because I do not know the circumstances. All I'm saying is you have a much better chance of not getting killed in an avalanche if you learn about when it's safe to get into avalanche terrain rather then just thinking snowmobiling in the mountains is a roll of the dice.

It's not an exact science but there are numerous signs that can tell you to back off. So far this season there is a VERY widespread weakness deep in the snowpack with crusts involved to make things even worse. This is widespread throughout the west in Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana. This layer is well known and has claimed numerous lives. Forecasters constantly monitor this type of weakness and try to relate it to the public. I'd go with that info rather then a roll of the dice.

Brett Kobernik
Avalanche Forecaster
Utah Avalanche Center
 
uac, i think what he was referring to was that the thought process when you take an avy course and wear an abs bag, have a beacon, have spot messanger it makes some people believe that they have less chance of getting into an avy because of there knowledge and how prepared they are. I dont' think he is saying it's useless.

we took an avy course about 6 years ago with the two top dogs at castle mountain ski resort. very well educated and time very well spent. the next year one of the instructors perished in an avalanche. No matter how prepared you think you are, the second you think you will never get caught in one is when it will come. You can't ever be too cautious!!

I was caught in my first avy (a year and a half ago) and it was a medium sized slide that I can vividly remember as soon as I saw the snow crack above me i thought this isnt' happening. luckily it turned out ok in my favor, but all it took was 5 seconds and it was done. sorry for the rant, be safe boys and ladies.
 
Just got back from sledding in Golden and heard the news out there. There is no doubt that the snowpack is unstable and unpredictable!

My heartfelt thoughts and prayers go out to the survivor's, families, friends and all the volunteers and professionals involved in this horrible situation.

To the survivors that made the hardest call of their lives...YOU MADE the right call!

To the rest of us who sled, we need to think more about what we are doing out there! It's time to wake up and get real. More of us are getting killed because we are going further into the back country and the sleds have made areas more accessible than ever before.

I have ridden Harvey many times and it is an area that only experienced sledders would go. To be honest, it is one of those areas that kind of gave me the chills everytime I went there.

Most of us have probably done the exact same thing as these guys did and have gotten away with it. Sled safe everyone and think about this situation every time you venture out so their deaths aren't in vein!

RIP
 
My heart goes out to those involved.

I too have young ones at home who'd be devestated if their daddy didn't come home one night. Tradegys like this make me think if its worth it, do I really want to build that mod sled for my boy?

To think he and I could get into an avy while having a father/son day is heart wrenching...specially on a sled I probably built for him.

I am usually the most avy minded person in all the groups I've ridden with, I see people parked in runouts..I tell them this is a bad area and I'll move to a safe one to have my sammach.


We must live our lives, and not live it in fear..but we must be educated to minimize those risks. I hope everyone reads these threads and when they go riding they hear that little voice in the back of their heads telling them this isn't safe here...that little voice needs to be loud enough to hear it over all the noise having fun makes.
 
I heard this happend on sunday after a road ride, my first of the year. I cant stop thinking and talking about this issue. It is truely sad and it reminds me of our tight knit group with close family and friends. I rode this area some years ago and it's only a few hours drive away. This one really hits home.

I would be absolutly devestated to experience anything remotelty close to this.

I really don't know what to say..........:(

Chaz
 
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I heard this happend on sunday after a road ride, my first of the year. I cant stop thinking and talking about this issue. It is truely sad and it reminds me of our tight knit group with close family and friends. I rode this area some years ago and it's only a few hours drive away. This one really hits home.

I would be absolutly devestated to experience anything remotelty close to this.

I really don't know what to say..........:(

Chaz

you and everybody else ...don't feel bad ....well too bad that is
 
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