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2016 Poo,,,,,,,,hmmm, that's it?

I didn't say that they did. This is coming from legitimate riders in the industry that I know. Quite honestly, I'd ride a king cat before I'd ever buy a Polaris. I like reliable power. I can work on the handling and chassis. Did you read that they took MORE weight out of the crank from this engine over last year? I dunno what Polaris is thinking, but apparently they don't find value in tough cranks.

King Cat reliable? Every King Cat that I used to ride with, I pulled back, and yes they were cranks that went out, except for one that melted a piston! This was the ol' Mtn Max days. You must have that one and only King Cat that is bullet proof. Didn't they only last like 2-3 years?
 
I've got nearly 4k miles on mine. All original motor components. And I've been around other king cats that have similar miles and history.
 
I didn't say that they did. This is coming from legitimate riders in the industry that I know. Quite honestly, I'd ride a king cat before I'd ever buy a Polaris. I like reliable power. I can work on the handling and chassis. Did you read that they took MORE weight out of the crank from this engine over last year? I dunno what Polaris is thinking, but apparently they don't find value in tough cranks.

Each to your own on what you buy but handling and chassis are the hard ones to remedy to me. Power is easy to remedy. As far as the crank, cat did the same thing on the motor that everyone is bragging how bomb proof it is. Granted nobody knows on the new pro motor. This is a new day and age where heavier is not always stronger.
 
Each to your own on what you buy but handling and chassis are the hard ones to remedy to me. Power is easy to remedy. As far as the crank, cat did the same thing on the motor that everyone is bragging how bomb proof it is. Granted nobody knows on the new pro motor. This is a new day and age where heavier is not always stronger.
What do you mean Cat did the same thing? And as far as no one knowing... guys up in Alaska riding this sled said it's less reliable than the pro.... I don't really care, I'll ride a catas long as I can. But that's what I hear. I myself an not an expert, but I talk to a lot of people all across the board and a lot of well known names in the industry. Guess we'll find out though... The motor still doesn't compare to the 800 HO in the cats.
 
I didn't say that they did. This is coming from legitimate riders in the industry that I know. Quite honestly, I'd ride a king cat before I'd ever buy a Polaris. I like reliable power. I can work on the handling and chassis. Did you read that they took MORE weight out of the crank from this engine over last year? I dunno what Polaris is thinking, but apparently they don't find value in tough cranks.

I'm confused. First of all if you want to make a reliability statement, using the King Cats was definitely not the right angle. As far as the crank, Polaris did a good job of running them in the IQR sleds first to see how they would do. And...didn't the AC 800HO motor use a lightweight crank back in 2009-2010 (I'm not sure on the year)?

Lastly, go hate somewhere else. I too check out the other 4m's but out of pure love of the game. Your argument for how bad the new Polaris sled is just asinine.
 
What do you mean Cat did the same thing? And as far as no one knowing... guys up in Alaska riding this sled said it's less reliable than the pro.... I don't really care, I'll ride a catas long as I can. But that's what I hear. I myself an not an expert, but I talk to a lot of people all across the board and a lot of well known names in the industry. Guess we'll find out though... The motor still doesn't compare to the 800 HO in the cats.

So you have no interest in the sled, no experience, never owned a Polaris, never will, think a dozen year old sled is somewhat comparable to new sleds, but you know some guys who know some guys who apparently ride quite a bit.....and your conclusion is to stick with the current 800HO....that you also don't own.

I'm all for having fun riding what ya got, but in marketing terms, I believe you fall slightly outside of the "target market"
 
What do you mean Cat did the same thing? And as far as no one knowing... guys up in Alaska riding this sled said it's less reliable than the pro.... I don't really care, I'll ride a catas long as I can. But that's what I hear. I myself an not an expert, but I talk to a lot of people all across the board and a lot of well known names in the industry. Guess we'll find out though... The motor still doesn't compare to the 800 HO in the cats.

What I mean is cat lightened their crank by about the same thing for 2010. I haven't heard many reliability issues with poo's new motor but I don't pay attention to short track stuff. As far as comparing the motors I'm thinking you can't compare because I haven't rode it and neither have you. If you had rode it it wouldn't be in the new chassis so you still can't compare. We will have to wait until next year and then everyones questions will be answered. As far as reliability on the pro motor, we will have to wait a few years.
 
So you have no interest in the sled, no experience, never owned a Polaris, never will, think a dozen year old sled is somewhat comparable to new sleds, but you know some guys who know some guys who apparently ride quite a bit.....and your conclusion is to stick with the current 800HO....that you also don't own.

I'm all for having fun riding what ya got, but in marketing terms, I believe you fall slightly outside of the "target market"
I own a Polaris and 2 cats. King cat and M8 Turbo... and I've owned another Polaris before that. But you're right. I don't have a clue. Not like I've ridden with them and I definitely don't wrench at an atv dealership or anything like that either... So ya got me.

I didn't come here to bash. I wanna hear it all. The good the bad. But as far as the crank goes... Cat's idea and Polaris' idea of lightweight crank are two different things. Pretty sure Cat has the biggest crank in the 800 class. The 11-12 PRO cranks were so bad Polaris cut their crank manufacturer and got a completely new one. Every sled has their ugly side. Exactly why I won't touch a 12-13 cat. Some Polaris guys get so mad if anyone has anything bad to say about Polaris... Judas. Either refute it or swallow it.
 
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I own a Polaris and 2 cats. King cat and M8 Turbo... and I've owned another Polaris before that. But you're right. I don't have a clue. Not like I've ridden with them and I definitely don't wrench at an atv dealership or anything like that either... So ya got me.

I didn't come here to bash. I wanna hear it all. The good the bad. But as far as the crank goes... Cat's idea and Polaris' idea of lightweight crank are two different things. Cat has the biggest crank in the 800 class. I'm sure you knew that though. I'm sure you also knew that the 11-12 PRO cranks were so bad Polaris cut their crank manufacturer and got a completely new one. Every sled has their ugly side. Exactly why I won't touch a 12-13 cat. Some Polaris guys get so mad if anyone has anything bad to say about Polaris... Judas. Either refute it out swallow it.

I think you have a poor grasp on the mechanics of rotational mass. Lets compare it to bridge beams. Why do engineers use W-beams (I beams for the laymen) for bridge support rather than an equally weighted solid rectangular steel bar?

The answer is moment of inertia. Moment of inertia is a property calculated for a given shape which illustrates it's ability to resist apply forces. The moment of inertia of a W-beam is higher than an equally weighted solid rectangular bar. The majority of a bending load is carried through the outer most fibers of a beam, so by strategically placing the "meat" of the shape on the extreme fibers, you can gain strength without using more steel. This is why the W shape is so efficient for bridge, or any other beams.

For a rotational mass there is a similar concept. The property you calculate to determine the mass' ability to resist force is known as the rotational moment of inertia.

So the reasoning that a "lighter" crank is "weaker" is a poor judgement without knowing the actual properties of the crank. The lighter crank may actually be stronger. And assuming that Polaris uses engineers to design their components, I'm assuming it is not "weaker".

Also, something else to remember. A lighter rotating mass carries less rotational momentum. Bad thing? for a diesel truck that needs to pull a 80k load up a hill, yes, because that rotational momentum is used to pull the load. This is part of the reason why the TQ/HP numbers out of a 14.9 liter cat engine is so high. BUT in a snowmobile, where responsiveness is by far the ruler of the game, less mass means quicker revving which equals more responsiveness.

One more thing before I'm done. Any little bit of out of balance that a crank may have (and there will always be some) wears on the crank bearings. A lighter rotational mass (crank) will put less force on these bearings.

You can argue "my buddy's dad's cousin's sister's sled is better than your poo because..." all day, but what I listed here are facts. So please don't use "the crank is lighter so it's less reliable" as a reason for Poo's crap engines.

Disclaimer: I am in no way associated with Poo and am in no way saying that the new 800 HO will be more reliable. I'm simply stating laws of engineering and hoping that this engine holds up :bowl:
 
Yeah. Who wants to ride a reliable/durable sled anyway? haha :fencing: It's all a preference but man that 2016 Cat is looking nimble. And from what I hear, the stock Yammy rides like a PRO. At least that what the guys who have spent a lot of time on it, and they're guys who have ridden PROs since '11...

I didn't say that they did. This is coming from legitimate riders in the industry that I know. Quite honestly, I'd ride a king cat before I'd ever buy a Polaris. I like reliable power. I can work on the handling and chassis. Did you read that they took MORE weight out of the crank from this engine over last year? I dunno what Polaris is thinking, but apparently they don't find value in tough cranks.

What do you mean Cat did the same thing? And as far as no one knowing... guys up in Alaska riding this sled said it's less reliable than the pro.... I don't really care, I'll ride a catas long as I can. But that's what I hear. I myself an not an expert, but I talk to a lot of people all across the board and a lot of well known names in the industry. Guess we'll find out though... The motor still doesn't compare to the 800 HO in the cats.

I own a Polaris and 2 cats. King cat and M8 Turbo... and I've owned another Polaris before that. But you're right. I don't have a clue. Not like I've ridden with them and I definitely don't wrench at an atv dealership or anything like that either... So ya got me.

I didn't come here to bash. I wanna hear it all. The good the bad. But as far as the crank goes... Cat's idea and Polaris' idea of lightweight crank are two different things. Pretty sure Cat has the biggest crank in the 800 class. The 11-12 PRO cranks were so bad Polaris cut their crank manufacturer and got a completely new one. Every sled has their ugly side. Exactly why I won't touch a 12-13 cat. Some Polaris guys get so mad if anyone has anything bad to say about Polaris... Judas. Either refute it or swallow it.
I'm not mad at all....but I disagree that you're not here to bash, as this all shows quite clearly.

Forgive me for taking "Quite honestly, I'd ride a king cat before I'd ever buy a Polaris" to mean that you didn't own a Polaris. And also taking "I don't really care, I'll ride a cats long as I can" to mean you weren't interested in what Polaris has to offer. Smartass aside - I'm confused as to how anyone would interpret that differently....

Back on topic - Cat has made steps toward making their Proclimb better this year, and if Polaris had sat on the Pro another year, they would have probably given up some ground. But this new sled looks to raise the bar on all fronts, and none of us will know the reliability until they get in the consumer's hands. 5th year riding a Pro in the BC mountains with (literally) 100% reliability here, so they don't scare me. But I'm just one guy.
 
Bought the Polaris for really really cheap. I let my nephews and nieces ride it. As far as the new ones. I'd rather ride a king cat.
 
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