2015 Ford F-150 (just released)

[mountainhorse]

Why would I choose that diesel motor over the ecoboost?
Having monitored fuel prices in my area the last 8 months (probably worse in california) diesel has averaged $.85 a gallon MORE than gasoline. And I can almost guarantee that with the DEF system the little diesel would only be good for 1 maybe 2 mpg more on highway, and maybe 2-3 more towing.

If I have to pay more upfront for the small diesel, more maintenance and more at the pump how is that helping the people? The small diesel motor is 10 years too late. Would have been the ticket when diesel was $.50 less a gallon than gas.

For me... it's the torque when pulling... and if the "daily driver" deficit is not that much... then no big deal.

Having driven many different diesel cars/vans/suv's over in Europe and in South America in the last 10 years... I can say that the smaller diesels DO make sense... and when you put your foot in it... your fuel economy does not go in the toilet.

Remember... most diesels in the 3/4 ton+ trucks in the USA are basically heavy commercial engines... very expensive and BIG... Mid/small diesels are a different story... Less complex... less money... lighter weight.

The 3.2 Turbo Diesel is used in the global platform delivery vans.

Heck... I had a BMW 640 Diesel Convertible with X-drive for a week last summer... the thing was a quiet rocket ship.. and got some serious good fuel economy.

I wonder what that Ecoboost gasser will get for economy when pulling 6000 lbs up the grade all day.. and what kind of speed will you make?




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[Dogmeat]

Why would I choose that diesel motor over the ecoboost?
Having monitored fuel prices in my area the last 8 months (probably worse in california) diesel has averaged $.85 a gallon MORE than gasoline. And I can almost guarantee that with the DEF system the little diesel would only be good for 1 maybe 2 mpg more on highway, and maybe 2-3 more towing.

If I have to pay more upfront for the small diesel, more maintenance and more at the pump how is that helping the people? The small diesel motor is 10 years too late. Would have been the ticket when diesel was $.50 less a gallon than gas.

This.

Even back in 2000 when I purchased my first brand new truck (half ton Chevy) I did some cost projections and figured you'd have to put at least 100k on the diesel before it would pay itself out based on the additional $4,000 it cost back then .... give or take a little based on the cost savings of diesel .... If you towed more with the truck, this number would be less.

Now?

The ONLY time you are going to save money buying a diesel is if you have a 10,000-lb trailer hooked to the truck every time you start the motor or your vehicle weighs 20,000-lb to begin with. It is a total total total myth that diesel trucks save you money. You're paying for the power, pure and simple. Which i will say after owning a diesel truck (first one ever) for about 1.5 years now, I dig that power .... sucker tows real nice, which is great .... but I am under no illusion what the thing costs me to run every month, and thats coming off a 3/4 ton with a 496 in it even.

I agree 100%, the half-ton diesel thing is about 10 years too late .... It would have to get 30 mpg at the same power levels an ecoboost puts out for me to even raise an eyebrow at it.

*patiently waits for internet half ton diesel with 37" tires chipped and deleted claims*

 

[christopher]

Sure would help if the price of diesel ever came back down in line with gas.

 

[carlc]

From people I know and info I have seen on here, the ecoboost gets about ten towing an enclosed trailer, let's go to Cooke from michigan, probably a 2000 mile round trip. 200 gallons of fuel right at 3 bucks a gallon in mt. 600 bucks in fuel. Now take the diesel, based off the test videos towing a 7500 lb trailer in stop and go traffic he got 17.5 hand calcd over three days. Let's say you are really pushing it and got 14 from michigan. 142 gallons burned x 3.75 per gallon for diesel. 535 bucks. Saved 65 bucks per trip to mt. Then think of the mileage savings when empty. I'm sorry but diesels are the way to go and I think ford is just trying anything they can to compete, like lightening their pickup by 700 lbs. yeah that's gonna be a lot of fun with an enclosed and crosswind


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[polarisfornow]

Anyone that thinks the new diesels get better mileage empty is kidding themselves. Yeah the old 5.9's and 7.3's were really easy on fuel but the new generation of gassers are better. Especially as a daily driver. Not only that but who has a new dmax (stock) that does better then 12mpg towing anything with a decent cross section? I've been in 3 and that's just what they get. Don't fool yourself. Unless you're doing lots and lots of towing the diesel is gonna cost you more. Some guys just love the power, and that's fine, I'd pay more too if it was something I just really had my heart set on. But if total cost of ownership is your main concern you're better off with a gas truck.

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[christopher]

commuting 5 days a week.
towing 1 day a week
oddball use on Sunday.

I don't see how you can ever say that the new F250 diesel is more "economical" to drive than the new lighter F150 Ecoboost.

Dollar for Dollar the new gaser is going to cost LESS $$$ per mile driven when its amortized over several years.

 

[carlc]

We are not talking the old heavy duty diesels. This is a new diesel in the half tons that has been known in Europe to get great mileage. The ecoboost is rated at 20mpg crime the EPA. There are no EPA ratings on the ram yet, but motor trend and car and drivers tests have both landed at 28 mpg highway and 23 mixed. And if you complain about the initial cost of the diesel, have you actually checked the sticker prices between a ford and dodge? I guarantee you will be able to get a Laramie 1/2 ton diesel for less than a lariat ford,


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[polarisfornow]

We are not talking the old heavy duty diesels. This is a new diesel in the half tons that has been known in Europe to get great mileage. The ecoboost is rated at 20mpg crime the EPA. There are no EPA ratings on the ram yet, but motor trend and car and drivers tests have both landed at 28 mpg highway and 23 mixed. And if you complain about the initial cost of the diesel, have you actually checked the sticker prices between a ford and dodge? I guarantee you will be able to get a Laramie 1/2 ton diesel for less than a lariat ford,


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The new ecodiesel? Yes totally different ball game. My opinion on them is that the operating cost between the Ford eco and the ram eco will be very similar. The upcharge on the ram is 2800 for the eco. Not nearly as bad as the 9k in the hd trucks. I personally think the ram eco will be a hit. I'll be getting one as soon as ordering is available.

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[Dogmeat]

From people I know and info I have seen on here, the ecoboost gets about ten towing an enclosed trailer, let's go to Cooke from michigan, probably a 2000 mile round trip. 200 gallons of fuel right at 3 bucks a gallon in mt. 600 bucks in fuel. Now take the diesel, based off the test videos towing a 7500 lb trailer in stop and go traffic he got 17.5 hand calcd over three days. Let's say you are really pushing it and got 14 from michigan. 142 gallons burned x 3.75 per gallon for diesel. 535 bucks. Saved 65 bucks per trip to mt. Then think of the mileage savings when empty. I'm sorry but diesels are the way to go and I think ford is just trying anything they can to compete, like lightening their pickup by 700 lbs. yeah that's gonna be a lot of fun with an enclosed and crosswind


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So how many trips to Cooke does it take to pay off the extra $8,000 the diesel added to the price of the truck?

Yeah. Exactly.

 

[carlc]

So how many trips to Cooke does it take to pay off the extra $8,000 the diesel added to the price of the truck?



Yeah. Exactly.

8000? Where did you pull that from. It has been stated many times it's a 2800 up charge from the base v6, even less if you upgrade from the hemi. And that was one trip out of many, just to give an example. The diesel will be a hit, and if ford was doing it you would think so too


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[Mafesto]

have you actually checked the sticker prices between a ford and dodge? I guarantee you will be able to get a Laramie 1/2 ton diesel for less than a lariat ford,
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I would hope so.
You get what you pay for, you pay for what you get.

 

[christopher]

Side by Side comparison.

2014 F150 Lariat 4x4 Eco Boost = $41,580
(most basic possible configuration)

2014 F250 Lariat 4x4 Diesel = $53,230

Diesel cost = + $11,650

OR...

<table bgcolor="#c0c0c0" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="95%"><tbody><tr align="center"><td class="tblhead" width="50%">U.S. Average Gas Price</td><td class="tblhead" width="50%">Crude Oil Futures</td></tr><tr align="center"><td class="tblcell">$3.27</td></tr></tbody></table>
$11,650 / $3.27 = 3,562 gallons of GasolineIf we use 17mpg as the average for the Ecoboost that is 60,554 miles you could have driven on the EcoBoost....

Fuel savings on the current full size diesel just isn't a valid argument.

Maybe the new EcoDiesel will change this equation.

 

[sledr900]

Drive what you like!

We drive diesels for the same reasons we ride 800cc sleds instead of 550cc fan cooled sleds. How come nobody ever mentions the higher resale of diesel trucks where you recoup some of the $8000 upgrade. Furthermore, if you ever tow at all there is no question that the diesels are safer when it comes to controlling your load. It's kind of like avalanche gear, hopefully we never need it, but if we do we have it. So be a responsible snowmobiler and wear your avalanche gear and drive a diesel.

 

[summ8rmk]

Side by Side comparison.

2014 F150 Lariat 4x4 Eco Boost = $41,580
(most basic possible configuration)

2014 F250 Lariat 4x4 Diesel = $53,230

Diesel cost = + $11,650

OR...

U.S. Average Gas PriceCrude Oil Futures$3.27
$11,650 / $3.27 = 3,562 gallons of GasolineIf we use 17mpg as the average for the Ecoboost that is 60,554 miles you could have driven on the EcoBoost....

Fuel savings on the current full size diesel just isn't a valid argument.

Maybe the new EcoDiesel will change this equation.

Sorry but for the $11k up grade ur getting an entirely different truck not just a diesel engine. The Superduty is a much heavier truck built for hauling and towing much more than its half ton counterpart.

Look at the resale price of all 7.3l Powerstrokes vs their gas engine equivalents. From 1994.5-2003. The diesel is $5-10k more.

Ridin da Yamacat

 

[Dartos]

Furthermore, if you ever tow at all there is no question that the diesels are safer when it comes to controlling your load.

For those of us that are uneducated in the diesel pickup safety area, why is a diesel safer in controlling a load?

 

[Mafesto]

For those of us that are uneducated in the diesel pickup safety area, why is a diesel safer in controlling a load?

It's simple....
The Powerstroke, Cummins or Duramax emblem on the side of the truck makes everything everything safer along with increasing the pouch size of your underpants.

 

[Dogmeat]

Side by Side comparison.

2014 F150 Lariat 4x4 Eco Boost = $41,580
(most basic possible configuration)

2014 F250 Lariat 4x4 Diesel = $53,230

Diesel cost = + $11,650

OR...

<table bgcolor="#c0c0c0" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="95%"><tbody><tr align="center"><td class="tblhead" width="50%">U.S. Average Gas Price</td><td class="tblhead" width="50%">Crude Oil Futures</td></tr><tr align="center"><td class="tblcell">$3.27</td></tr></tbody></table>
$11,650 / $3.27 = 3,562 gallons of GasolineIf we use 17mpg as the average for the Ecoboost that is 60,554 miles you could have driven on the EcoBoost....

Fuel savings on the current full size diesel just isn't a valid argument.

Maybe the new EcoDiesel will change this equation.

This.

Its going to be very interesting to see how it pans out to be sure. It will all boil down to the mileage claims holding up in the real world or not. I will say, that if the option is +$3,000 over a base V6 truck and it DOES get 28-30 mpg unloaded @ 75 mph on the interstate, maybe we'll have something here even with diesel being +$1.00/gal vs. regular gasoline.

But, in order for there to be a payout on this vs. the current crop of 1/2 ton gas trucks, its literally going to have to be an across-the-board increase in mileage of some 30% to really "pay out".

 

[Dartos]

The tow rating on the new Ram 3 liter diesel seems a bit paltry. I have a 2011 F150 with the Ecoboost with the Max Trailer tow package and it has a tow rating of 11,100 lbs. A Ram, equipped as close as I could get it on the web site, has a tow rating of 8,400 lbs.

The 5.7 Hemi has a higher tow rating at 9,400 lbs. than the new diesel in the Ram 1500.

 

[sledr900]

Free Education:

For those of us that are uneducated in the diesel pickup safety area, why is a diesel safer in controlling a load?

Engine braking! Their is a purpose for it. Not just to sound cool. Anybody that has actually towed heavy loads would understand. Furthermore, I don't want to start the 1/2 ton and heavy duty debate here when it comes the safety of having the proper vehicle to tow a heavy load regardless of what the manual says the towing capacity is.

 

[SNWMBL]

Since Ford has such a hard on for losing weight and making a truck out of aluminum, which I think is retarded, let me ask the professional body work guys on here a question. How do you properly repair one of these trucks when they get in an accident?

The cab is high strength aluminum. Fact: When you weld aluminum it loses the majority of it's strength(it anneals it). Door panels wouldn't be an issue because they'll just be replaced. But what happens when you get t-boned and it bends one of the cab pillars/floor boards/cab corner? Unless the pillars are modular and 100% riveted & glued, then there's no possible way you can weld in a new pillar and maintain the structural integrity of the cab. Unless you completely strip and heat treat the cab after welding which no one will do.

Not only that, but welding aluminum requires a very clean environment, clean aluminum specific abrasive pads, grinding discs, files, tungsten, welding gloves, ect. and slow prep work such as wiping the joint and filler rod with acetone before welding. How many of you would trust a body shop to weld on your cab and not end up with a contaminated weld(s)? I've never seen the inside of a body shop that was as clean as my garage.

Maybe someone can enlighten me but I think aluminum is a terrible idea, at least from the body repair side of things. When was the last time a lighter vehicle was desirable for towing? I was looking at the F-150 for a next vehicle but looks like I'll be staying with chevy and their high strength steel.