Researching pipes for my 13 pro. I want a pipe to gain a little power and maybe lose weight as a side effect. I am a DTR member and looked at the manufacter numbers and prices. Out of respect for DTR, I will not post his actual numbers. Figured I would post my results and help others.
Items to consider:
- Many options require a power commander fuel box that costs $400.
- In reality, a pipe from any manufacture is going to give you about 5hp. A full system will give more.
- Heat is a killer on these machines, so ceramic would be suggested in my mind.
AAEN - This pipe gains a claimed 8hp from AAEN and loses 11lbs. People say its fit is not so great and saw a youtube video with some pretty poor welding and a not so tight fit. It is known for its torque and the HP looks to build at a lower RPM. Being a flat lander with stock clutching this may would most likely require no clutching changes. $700 for plain or $900 for ceramic-- I called and this setup requires a fuel box, but just the pipe does not. From what I could find the pipe will have the same power, but the weight loss cannot be as much. I would guess 5lbs. Just the pipe is $400 plain or $550 for ceramic. To get a ceramaic pipe and PC5 your looking at $1300.
SLP - This pipe gains claimed 7.6hp from SLP and loses 3.7lbs. Seems to be the popular pipe. It requires a fuel box, so that adds to the price and weight. Looking at the DTR sheet I will know it will require clutching work because the peak HP is at a higher RPM. They also suggest a High Flow Intake. Pipe setup is 680. SLP sells all the suggested items and clutching as a stage 2 kit for $1260.
Dynoport - Has a few options, but finding numbers was tough. DTR has dynoed just his pipe against others and it did well. Dynoport claims it to be even better with the y pipe that DTR did not have. No idea on weight loss. Uneasyrider has posted a 9.6hp multiple times on multiple forums. Called and talked to rich and he said his pipe setup does not require a power commander and either should anybody elses. Said it is only required when you do a high compression head with the setup. He does not suggest heads with sea level people. The pipe is A plain pipe setup is 1050 and Ceramic it is 1250.
BMP - Single pipe claims a 10hp gain and a 7.5lb loss, but it requires the PC5. I have used BMP stuff in my cats before and always had good success. So the suggested setup in ceramic is 1150.
So, now what pipe? LOL. First thing I noticed was that all the pipes with suggested setups are about the same price.
BMP looks like the best deal because it claims 10hp with just the pipe, but that number is double of DTR tests. Seems a little far fetched. I know in the past they have had problems delivering products on the east. This was years ago, but I remember a lot of angry cat people.
AAEN has good numbers and the $400 single plain pipe is most likely the best choice for most sea level people. No box and good proven power. The whole kit has good weight loss. The lady I talked to on the phone may have been a robot and had never heard of ethanol.
SLP seems to have the best bang for your buck. The numbers are nothing to exciting, but looks like a solid complete kit with a great price. At first I thought of them as pricy, but now I am the opposite. They also seem to be very very popular, so forum support and such will be easy.
Dynoport info required a phone call, but what a great call. He was not a robot and was fired up right after my first question. "Does you exhaust require a fuel controller?" He gets asked the same question 10 times a week. His big thing is his y-pipe that nobody else has and I believe this is how he is getting above the 5hp mark. He definately knows his stuff.
Leaning towards Dynoport, but getting the stage 2 setup from SLP seems like a good deal. I guess the question is. Is the power commander really needed or a gimmick...
Items to consider:
- Many options require a power commander fuel box that costs $400.
- In reality, a pipe from any manufacture is going to give you about 5hp. A full system will give more.
- Heat is a killer on these machines, so ceramic would be suggested in my mind.
AAEN - This pipe gains a claimed 8hp from AAEN and loses 11lbs. People say its fit is not so great and saw a youtube video with some pretty poor welding and a not so tight fit. It is known for its torque and the HP looks to build at a lower RPM. Being a flat lander with stock clutching this may would most likely require no clutching changes. $700 for plain or $900 for ceramic-- I called and this setup requires a fuel box, but just the pipe does not. From what I could find the pipe will have the same power, but the weight loss cannot be as much. I would guess 5lbs. Just the pipe is $400 plain or $550 for ceramic. To get a ceramaic pipe and PC5 your looking at $1300.
SLP - This pipe gains claimed 7.6hp from SLP and loses 3.7lbs. Seems to be the popular pipe. It requires a fuel box, so that adds to the price and weight. Looking at the DTR sheet I will know it will require clutching work because the peak HP is at a higher RPM. They also suggest a High Flow Intake. Pipe setup is 680. SLP sells all the suggested items and clutching as a stage 2 kit for $1260.
Dynoport - Has a few options, but finding numbers was tough. DTR has dynoed just his pipe against others and it did well. Dynoport claims it to be even better with the y pipe that DTR did not have. No idea on weight loss. Uneasyrider has posted a 9.6hp multiple times on multiple forums. Called and talked to rich and he said his pipe setup does not require a power commander and either should anybody elses. Said it is only required when you do a high compression head with the setup. He does not suggest heads with sea level people. The pipe is A plain pipe setup is 1050 and Ceramic it is 1250.
BMP - Single pipe claims a 10hp gain and a 7.5lb loss, but it requires the PC5. I have used BMP stuff in my cats before and always had good success. So the suggested setup in ceramic is 1150.
So, now what pipe? LOL. First thing I noticed was that all the pipes with suggested setups are about the same price.
BMP looks like the best deal because it claims 10hp with just the pipe, but that number is double of DTR tests. Seems a little far fetched. I know in the past they have had problems delivering products on the east. This was years ago, but I remember a lot of angry cat people.
AAEN has good numbers and the $400 single plain pipe is most likely the best choice for most sea level people. No box and good proven power. The whole kit has good weight loss. The lady I talked to on the phone may have been a robot and had never heard of ethanol.
SLP seems to have the best bang for your buck. The numbers are nothing to exciting, but looks like a solid complete kit with a great price. At first I thought of them as pricy, but now I am the opposite. They also seem to be very very popular, so forum support and such will be easy.
Dynoport info required a phone call, but what a great call. He was not a robot and was fired up right after my first question. "Does you exhaust require a fuel controller?" He gets asked the same question 10 times a week. His big thing is his y-pipe that nobody else has and I believe this is how he is getting above the 5hp mark. He definately knows his stuff.
Leaning towards Dynoport, but getting the stage 2 setup from SLP seems like a good deal. I guess the question is. Is the power commander really needed or a gimmick...
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