2012 BD turbo pro first ride report?? Issues?
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Whether or not BD installed his kit is irrelevant......If you sell a turbo kit to the public directly for them to install people will have problems...That where the support comes in. Who's answers the phone when you in a pinch and who try to get the sled right while your on the hill....or who packs it up and waits for Monday
Your right my experience with turbo sleds and with turbo 2 strokes in general is irrevelant....
Maybe instead of attacking me you could put your vast knowledge to use and help out Sledwolf. It's easy to imply it was his intallation causing the problems......Now help him figure out where he went wrong
Your right my experience with turbo sleds and with turbo 2 strokes in general is irrevelant....
Maybe instead of attacking me you could put your vast knowledge to use and help out Sledwolf. It's easy to imply it was his intallation causing the problems......Now help him figure out where he went wrong
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ghost rider
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Turbo
There is no doubt that you Boston racing, Silber, and other Silber dealers have taken your customer service a notch higher than BD. You are definitely being rewarded by taking customers from BD which you 100% deserve. I'm not doubting your knowledge or experience. BD runs their business 9 to 5 and sometimes that's not enough.
But bad rep'n me for stating the obvious and saying mine runs great to give sled wolf the confidence that the kit works when bugs are figured out and giving him the start of how to fix it?
Sledwolf what clutching is in your sled? What are your current fuel settings in your boondocker box? Does your boondocker box read 0 when it's at idle(check in stats screen)? Do you have EBC smart? Are you in ALT compensation mode?
There is no doubt that you Boston racing, Silber, and other Silber dealers have taken your customer service a notch higher than BD. You are definitely being rewarded by taking customers from BD which you 100% deserve. I'm not doubting your knowledge or experience. BD runs their business 9 to 5 and sometimes that's not enough.
But bad rep'n me for stating the obvious and saying mine runs great to give sled wolf the confidence that the kit works when bugs are figured out and giving him the start of how to fix it?
Sledwolf what clutching is in your sled? What are your current fuel settings in your boondocker box? Does your boondocker box read 0 when it's at idle(check in stats screen)? Do you have EBC smart? Are you in ALT compensation mode?
Well first off the loose plug will cause det7. Second unless your trying to save money on race or av fuel then take the timing key off it does u no favors on bottom end.
The updated fuel numbers on their website for high altitude should get u very close. The clutch springs they recommend work. I would suggest using 10-72 Polaris weights at that elevation. The stock helix would probably work just fine but the turbo helix 42/48 is better.
If your using EBC smart then you will have a harder time tuning but will b happy when and if u get it dialed. You will also have to lean it out more then before with the four injectors but mainly because you have so much more ability to tune in every rpm in conjunction with boost. If you understand the boondocker box then you can tune your sled like no other company can.
Get yourself an A/F gauge! How can you own a turbo without a tool to tune.
An A/F for turbo application is the only way to go.
All that being said I have the new torque air box with cold air intake and new EBC smart and just got done riding at 8500ft and everyone that saw my sled or rode with me said it's far more responsive than stock(zero lag) with a lot more horsepower
Look over your installation to make sure everything is right and go with recommended fuel settings and clutching from boondocker, add 50Av/50premium turn boost to 10 plus and I'm sure you will get it figured out and have a great year!
Good info. The dealer for BD told me not to even waste my money on gauges as they had it dialed. Ive always used EGTs before but yes thats good advise. Im ordering one today.
Im not sure it ws tight to start with. The PTO was loose and the Mag was medium tight. I snugged them both down.
99% of the time a loose plug is telling you something. If you don't listen and assume that the plug was loose all along the next time there will be a dime size hole in your piston.
There is a slim chance they forgot to tighten it.
Sledwolf knows there is a problem bigger than a tech left the plug loose. We will help him get his BD kit running. Silber should get paid by BD for providing tech support after hours
Im not 100% sure on the plug as i watched for a Det light and didnt ever see one but something is definately wrong. Like you said i dont want a hole in the piston. I cant get BD on the phone today, i wanted to ask them if i had enough juice to run a wide band. I think im going to pull the timing key lower the boost a touch and add more race gas while running BDs high alt setting. I need to get the right gauge coming, ill catch up with you later on that.
Ive got the 70 gram BD weights thier turbo helix, 46 deg if memory serves it is a multi angle. The box is zerod. Im not over reving. never seen more than 8150 rpm in the 18 miles i put on it. Never noticed a det lt. im not 100% sure the plug was tight to start but i really dont know. Its tight now. I have trouble believing i was deting with the race gas i was using. Ive ran this stuff a ton in the past and never had a det issue. Im novis to the PRO intercooled setup but judging from the seat of my pants the sled feels fat in the bottom. If i was a betting man id say its way to rich from 3 to 5500 rpm. I could be way off base there but thats my guess. I may have something hooked up wrong but i doubt it. The sled got the det code when i was bliping the throttle both times right at the 6,000 6,500 rpm spot. I wasnt holding it WOT just cruzing along getting some break in variation on the motor. The EBS comp was turned on. 8.5 PSI It wanted to pop a bit up high when tying to spool all the way out. The engine had a hard time making the wot open transition under boost and it wasnt real smooth. Kinda hickuped and hit. Thanks for all the help guys. Just trying to work out the bugs here. There are no bad ideas at this point and i apreciate the effort guys are making.All fuel settings are the stock BD #s.
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ghost rider
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Sledwolf you have plenty of power to run wide band. I'm sorry someone at BD informed you that you didn't need a gauge that is crazy.
Until gauge arrives run a 50/50 av to premium at 8 lbs with Alt compensator off and that would be plenty of octane at 8500 ft.
Did you change the OS in super tune as well as CR in boondocker box?
Sledwolf you have plenty of power to run wide band. I'm sorry someone at BD informed you that you didn't need a gauge that is crazy.
Until gauge arrives run a 50/50 av to premium at 8 lbs with Alt compensator off and that would be plenty of octane at 8500 ft.
Did you change the OS in super tune as well as CR in boondocker box?
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ghost rider
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Sledwolf from the sound of it you are correct that it's rich. It pops just as if it was lean but hard to differentiate without wide band and can cause det7 just the same
Sledwolf from the sound of it you are correct that it's rich. It pops just as if it was lean but hard to differentiate without wide band and can cause det7 just the same
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dmkhnr
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I wouldnt touch a thing until after I tried riding it again with tight spark plugs, and only because you question whether they were originally installed correctly.
If det loosened the plugs then I would suggest you have something more than a tuning problem.
You have to rule out the obvious first.
If det loosened the plugs then I would suggest you have something more than a tuning problem.
You have to rule out the obvious first.
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Kestrel2126
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Here is my opinion after reading this whole thread. First, you're running plenty of octane with 50/50, 110/91, to run 8-10 PSI at 8500'. THere is no reason your fuel should be causing det. Did you check to see your stats screen to see if you were in fact only seeing 8 PSI?
THe lazy bottom end MAY be because of too much octane, but I don't believe thats the problem here. Sounds like something else. THere is some good advice in a lot of the responses in this thread. First, check all connections, stock AND in the turbo kit wiring. Second, get a gauge in there. EGT's or AFR is fine either way. Third, I would get the timing key out of the system. You are running plenty of octane, and enough boost, that it is actually going to hinder your performance (especially bottom end). All that thing is doing is changing your timing so that sub par fuel, does not cause problems to the engine as quickly. With good fuel, like you're running, it will actually cause the sled to run less responsively. Fourth, there is no way to tell if the plug was loose, and caused the DET, or, if DET caused the loose plug. Given all the variables you have stated, I personally believe that it worked itself loose and then caused the code. HOWEVER, I also believe that you should always err on the side of caution, so I would assume that it is the other way around, and double check your plugs and piston wash, before riding again. Fifth, I would go through your box in super tuner mode and double check all the settings. Also the XTRA FUEL settings, on the box, make a huge difference in how the sled runs on the bottom.
I have an '11 Pro, with last years BD kit, and this years intercooler/injector upgrade, and it runs phenomenally, across the whole range. I ride at 10-13K', and am running 10-12 PSI on 50/50 Av/91. I hate to see a guy having troubles, so I would be more than happy to share #'s, bounce ideas off, whatever, to get your sled running the way it should. Feel free to PM me. I got minimal snow in CO, and am waiting on an A-arm/shock to come back from Z-Broz, so I got nothing better to do anyway. Give me a shout and I'll do my best to help figure it out.
THe lazy bottom end MAY be because of too much octane, but I don't believe thats the problem here. Sounds like something else. THere is some good advice in a lot of the responses in this thread. First, check all connections, stock AND in the turbo kit wiring. Second, get a gauge in there. EGT's or AFR is fine either way. Third, I would get the timing key out of the system. You are running plenty of octane, and enough boost, that it is actually going to hinder your performance (especially bottom end). All that thing is doing is changing your timing so that sub par fuel, does not cause problems to the engine as quickly. With good fuel, like you're running, it will actually cause the sled to run less responsively. Fourth, there is no way to tell if the plug was loose, and caused the DET, or, if DET caused the loose plug. Given all the variables you have stated, I personally believe that it worked itself loose and then caused the code. HOWEVER, I also believe that you should always err on the side of caution, so I would assume that it is the other way around, and double check your plugs and piston wash, before riding again. Fifth, I would go through your box in super tuner mode and double check all the settings. Also the XTRA FUEL settings, on the box, make a huge difference in how the sled runs on the bottom.
I have an '11 Pro, with last years BD kit, and this years intercooler/injector upgrade, and it runs phenomenally, across the whole range. I ride at 10-13K', and am running 10-12 PSI on 50/50 Av/91. I hate to see a guy having troubles, so I would be more than happy to share #'s, bounce ideas off, whatever, to get your sled running the way it should. Feel free to PM me. I got minimal snow in CO, and am waiting on an A-arm/shock to come back from Z-Broz, so I got nothing better to do anyway. Give me a shout and I'll do my best to help figure it out.
I would tune it without the electronic timing key, then add the key if you feel a need for it later. I agree that a loose plug is almost always a result of det, not a cause. But if you're not sure you the plug was tight to begin with it's a moot point.
Remove the timing key, double check that the plugs are tight, and run it again. Report back.
Remove the timing key, double check that the plugs are tight, and run it again. Report back.
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Anthony Oberti
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Heading to McCall this weekend to ride with Struthers again. Report back when I return.
I think so, ive not had her back in the snow yet, but heres what i found.
The seld is new (18miles),so its still on the factory breakin clock, add the timing key to that and its almost 16deg out of time. I also switched from the factory black primary spring to the team orange. Jared over at BD recomended it for the guys who like bottom end hit for boondocking ect. Jared tells me they have to pick a happy medium when they set the things up as many guys just want to putt down the trail looking cool with there BD stickers on the windshield while never using the turbo as designed for real mountain riding. Makes sence if you think about it. The third thing i found was a rich mixture of Sunnoco 110 in combination with the timing doesnt work well for bottom end of these machines. My biggest problem is im expecting a brand new sled to run like a broken in sled. Jared was also nice enought to give me some custom fuel #s for the extra settings that he thought id like. Ill get some miles on the sled and report back. I looked at the plugs and pistons and i cant see any indication the sled was deting. I think the lpugs were loose from day one and in combination of my testing and wrenching became even looser. He told me i can add a couple #s to the mid as a caution on the Det but that he aslo highly doubts the code was caused from DEt. I also found the exhaust outlet was viberating on the tunnel quite hard. and put a bead of ultra black on it. That may have caused a DEt code also but not sure.
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Dustin_R
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@Sledwolf. I was also having issues but I coudnt reach Jared. I talked with Reid Hedlund at Boondocker Canada and got some answers. I ended up with the following:
Lo Mid Hi
4300 10 13 09
5100 09 11 13
5900 20 25 31
6700 25 39 37
7500 25 42 43
8200 25 39 39 I will +2 to the mid and high next ride
8500 25 38 41 I will +2 to the mid and high next ride
* I also went from 50/50 112/92 down to 70/30
* I had tried close to these settings before without to much of a change. I think the biggest difference maker is the CAI. Without a doubt. Hopefully this helps.
Btw: Thanks dcturbo and dmkhnr for your thoughts on the CAI.
Lo Mid Hi
4300 10 13 09
5100 09 11 13
5900 20 25 31
6700 25 39 37
7500 25 42 43
8200 25 39 39 I will +2 to the mid and high next ride
8500 25 38 41 I will +2 to the mid and high next ride
* I also went from 50/50 112/92 down to 70/30
* I had tried close to these settings before without to much of a change. I think the biggest difference maker is the CAI. Without a doubt. Hopefully this helps.
Btw: Thanks dcturbo and dmkhnr for your thoughts on the CAI.
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Right On.
The only major changes Sessions gave me were on the Extra settings.
Extras//high alt BD regular #s 0 -4 -14
Sessions upgrade Extra #s Low 0 Mid -6 high -8 to-10
Heres the high alt standard BD settings im using now.
RPM L M H
4300 12 12 0
5100 18 12 0
5900 20 25 28
6700 25 34 32
7500 25 34 35
8200 25 34 34
8500 25 34 37
50/50 sunnoco Race and premium.
42/48 helix and Bd turbo secondary spring Black/orange (i think) cant quite remember its been a day or two.
orange team primary spring
Ive got some other #s that pulls a couple points here and there in the lower RPM range that ill be trying but i havent ran them yet.
Hope this helps sombody.
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Kestrel2126
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The #'s you posted that you got from Jared, are the ones I was telling you about when we spoke on the phone. I tried them out and did not like the map at all. I even tweaked it a bit, but went back to the #'s that I gave you from my sled the other day. Not saying those #'s won't work for you, but from my experience, the map I gave you one the phone, are much crisper as far as bottom end response for me.
