2012 600 Turbo Pro

[sledhead004]

Thinking about doing a pro 600 turbo next year. I ride 7- 10,000 ft. What kind of H.P. do these put out at elevation? Right now I'm riding a 2010 800 Dragon 163". I've heard these are a pretty fun sled, whats everyones thoughts on them!

 

[R_8_N]

why wouldnt ya turbo the new 800? from what ive read and seen in the past you have to run a 600 like at 15 to hang with a 800 at 8.....more fuel and more wear and tear on a 600 just to get the same thing that a 8 can do and easier on the 8's engine.

thats just my thoughts though

 

[Spankey99]

why wouldnt ya turbo the new 800? from what ive read and seen in the past you have to run a 600 like at 15 to hang with a 800 at 8.....more fuel and more wear and tear on a 600 just to get the same thing that a 8 can do and easier on the 8's engine.

thats just my thoughts though

I think its because polaris cant get their stuff right with the 800 CFI motor, but if the "direct injected" motors come out who knows. Personally I believe that the 600s are more "snappy" (if that makes sense) and are just plain around more fun to tell your pals, "You just got beat by a 600, how do you feel?". Unless your in the very very deep and torque of the 800's extra cubes is needed the 600 turbo at 8-12 psi should easily keep up. Thats my 2c,

Brad Sankey

 

[mountainhorse]

I've been thinking along the same lines.... a 146" Turbo 600 pro with a timbersled rear skid and front a-arms plus some other LW goodies.

600's are easier to throw around (less gyro effect from a 6mm shorter stroke...big diff in feel.

It depends on what you want to do... Do you have a blast by "beating" people... or do you ride for other reasons.

A 10 lb boosted 600 would be super fun!!

 

[ggcustoms]

Mountainhorse, that is the exact sled I want.

 

[Trenchmaster]

This is the sled that I would love to have, I have way more fun riding the wifes 600 144" than my 800 163". If the 600 comes in a couple grand cheaper, that pays for about a third of the cost of a turbo!! Best of both worlds, a nice snappy engine for riding around home with the ability to crank it up when riding at elevation. If I could sell my Dragon thats the way I would go!!

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

why wouldnt ya turbo the new 800? from what ive read and seen in the past you have to run a 600 like at 15 to hang with a 800 at 8.....more fuel and more wear and tear on a 600 just to get the same thing that a 8 can do and easier on the 8's engine.

thats just my thoughts though

I agree....a turbo 6 would prob barely outrun a BB 800. The whole "its a 600" deal is dim.

 

[Scott]

A big bore 8 and a T-6....two different animals...two different deals. PROBABLY two different types of riders.

At elevation....is the BB 800 going to keep the ponies that the T6 can still continue to make but turning up the boost?

 

[IdahoPowderHound]

turbos are altitude compensating meaning that a turbo will hold higher hp #'s at elevation more than a big bore. i have owned a 600 turbo and ran it @12 lbs boost and the power was amazing. you cant compare a 600 on boost to a BB 800. the High Mark kit i was running was capable of 220 hp thats more than any BB that i know of un less your throwing NOS at it.

 

[rotax]

A turbo anything should work better than a NA anything at elevation.
By wider and wider margins as the elevation increases.

However, tuning and rider will change things...as usual.

Is there really even a static weight difference to be concerned about between the two (800 vs 600)?
I understand there might be something to the rotating mass argument..

 

[R_8_N]

I understand if ya would want a 144 sled...then sure. do a 600 with a turbo....hell i would love to play on that for a day or two. Not as my main sled though.

is a 1200 watercraft considered a BB 800? i had one for a few years.....I would put money on my 1200 sled over a turbo 600 anyday....unless running 15lbs but they dont last all day running that kind of power.

what kind of rider are ya?

Ive got a turbo 800 dragon....rode with a few twisted cat 1000's last weekend that made me feel like i was on a t600. I actually thought of this thread that day i was out riding.

your never gonna be able to out do a 800 on a 600 when running lb for lb. EVER!

 

[Scott]

turbos are altitude compensating meaning that a turbo will hold higher hp #'s at elevation more than a big bore. i have owned a 600 turbo and ran it @12 lbs boost and the power was amazing. you cant compare a 600 on boost to a BB 800. the High Mark kit i was running was capable of 220 hp thats more than any BB that i know of un less your throwing NOS at it.

A turbo anything should work better than a NA anything at elevation.
By wider and wider margins as the elevation increases.

However, tuning and rider will change things...as usual.

Is there really even a static weight difference to be concerned about between the two (800 vs 600)?
I understand there might be something to the rotating mass argument..

I know, I know...I was being rhetorical. LOL

BTW, IPH...I'll be staying at the WhatchmaCallIt this weekend....The Flying...(what's it called?)

 

[IdahoPowderHound]

The Flying Sadle in Alpine? Have you been ridding up here before? I know some sweet spots i could show ya around.

 

[mountainhorse]

By pure physics... You will never get a triple... especially a 1200 to be as nimble as a 600.

At 10lbs... a 600 turbo will be an amazing sled... super nimble and more power than 90% of the sleds on the hill... Sure a 700/800/900/1000/1200 turbo will have more max hp... If max HP is your main concern... a bigger engine will fit you better... but there are "plusses" and "minuses" to the change.

If you are a technical rider... nimble is better... Burandt could have had ANY sled he wanted (and did)... that included a BD/D&D 1200 if chose that... but he picked an 800 as his best compromise...

Some people prefer a Big Block Chevelle SS... Some people prefer a Porsche... Two different vehicles...Both are amazing in different situations.

For me... Doing a 600 Turbo would not be me trying to do a turbo "On the Cheap" as the cost would be very close.

80% of the turbo owners that I've met in the field are overwhelmed by their sleds for the most part (if you belong to the other 20%... you are the exception rather than the rule)

 

[owenbstory]

600 turbo

I'm right in there with mountain horse. I am disappointed with the '09 800's, I've had a 600 around for the last few years, very reliable stock. Anyone care to speculate on the reliablity of a turbo 600?

 

[NapaMatt]

All in all..

Just heard from a Photo shoot guy named " " the new 600 RIPS it flat out Works.. Again.. Just the the Pro 800. Did With the "Chassis" alone.. W/a little more power.... It going to be a hand FULL to Hold on with a turbo!

Got my Vote!!!

 

[Daniel Boondocker]

I really miss my 600 turbo. Straight race gas and 12 lbs. It was a riot. The handling of a new pro 6t would be even better. After having owned one already I talked to my dealer this week about maybe getting a turbo 6 again. Perfect fit for an older puke like me with a bad knee that has backed off a little. That early check is a heck of a deal if you have an extra older sled to trade in. And he did think it would be around 1500 less.
I have to admit the race t7's and t'8s definitely could outdo me a little on a chute when torque was an issue. But the t6 155 is definitely nimble and easier to ride than a 163 when you are slowing down a little.
The 600 had the same crank as the 8 so it had it's advantages for longevity and peace of mind even at 12 lbs. Looks like they are still running. Will that also be true of the 2012 600 or will it have a completely different motor than the 2012 800? Guess I will find out soon enough. Local dealer will have one in any day and offered to let me take it for a spin for the day. Thanks to everyone for all the posts on the 2012 600 by the way.

 

[racerjb]

I had a 600 turbo before and it was awesome in its time when most people were running bb versions of the 900. I ran from 8-15lbs full race gas and it felt best around 12 like others have mentioned. However, it didn't feel like it had the bottom end grunt. For a turbo sled I really preferred the pump gas 800 at 8lbs. It seems to be a better all around sled. The 600 didn't feel strong until you were really spooled up so it wasn't that good of a boondocking sled. I am sure the advances in Fuel Injection and the lightness of the Pro chassis will make it better. But if I were to spend $5k on a turbo it would be on a 800.

I think a 660 Pro would be a fun sled!

 

[mountainhorse]

RacerJB,
I've had a chance to ride Carbureted turbos the same as your Highmark Rec. 600 kit... and a pump-gas style kit on a 2009 600 RMK... Very different in throttle response... not really comparable IMO. The fuel injected CFi 600 was much more snappy on the bottom end.

Daniel, Did you have a 2008+ IQR 600 motor... those were the only ones I know of that ran the 800 size (70mm) cranks??

In the same weight of sled... eg an 800 PRO and a 600 Pro RMK for example (the 600 will weigh only a few lbs less)...The 600 will be noticeably easier to throw around than the 800..

If I was a big hill shooter or climber... a turbo 600 would not cut it... but that's not what I'd want it for.

 

[Daniel Boondocker]

It was an highly modded carbed 06 built by a guy I can't remember in Elko I think. I did put an 08 hood on it though. Reggie's turbo was in it. Super easy to tune once I learned how it worked. Reggie builds turbos and the 6 is what he rode. And his efi 6 did run better than my carbed 6, especially on the bottom. They definitely have better turbo systems and tuning every year. The VanAmburg tunnel was my favorite part of it next to the turbo. The aftermarket steering was my least favorite. IPH bought it. Now it looks like he has a killer p7t. I have a pro 163 but I prefer the 155 when I've ridden it. In heavier snow you sometimes get in Cali the 146 would be even better. I'm with you on the handling for how I ride. No brainer for me. But then again my brain is flawed. I rolled the crawler 3 times this year. Yours seem to be more developed from many of the engineering style posts I've seen you put up. Great posts by the way. Some of the best on here. Thank you for what you do.
I understood much of the bottom end was the same as the 800. I must have misunderstood parts of it. Do you know what the differences in next years 6 and 8 bottom ends will be, and does that help with durability?