Milehighassassin the thread you pointed to was referencing an estimated dry weight of an Assault I weighed an RMK Pro wet (very different unit). This is where I agree with shadowrider regarding the references to dry weight, I prefer weight reference to be "wet no fuel". I believe this is a reasonable comparison due to the variance in fuel capacity from one manufacturer to another. Consider a units coolant capacity being far larger than its competitors may result in a lower "dry weight" yet a higher "wet no fuel weight". A similar thought experiment may be applied to a 4 stoke sled who's fuel economy is far greater then its smelly counterpart, yet when weighed with no fuel seems less appealing until its range is considered. So at the end of the day, when comparing two strokes with relatively similar fuel economy, "wet no fuel" seems about the fairest. Also worthy of mention is scale to scale differences, especially when breaching our northern border (evidently theirs works quite different than ours). I have weighed hundreds of sleds in varying states over many years, all with the same scale and technique, this doesn't guarantee I am right but does guarantee a great standard of comparison.