2010 silverado crew vs 2010 tundra crewmax

[S2S_sledder]

I have no experience with the newer Tundra, but I drive lots of different GM product, and while I am big fan of the bigger motors, my friend has a stock 2005 heavy half ton with the 5.3 and 4.10 gearing and it flat out hauls ***.

If you aren't test driving a silverado with 4.10's then you're not giving it a fair shake.

I am surprised that the 2 trucks are so close in price, around here the toyota's are 8 to 10k more. Crew cab half ton GM is running 22K plus taxes and fees.

 

[Polar Express]

mfgr vs mfgr

I suspect that both trucks have features you like and dislike about them. It appears that they are at least close in cost to you, OTD.

I can relay a personal experience I had with GM:

I purchased an 04 Duramax CC/SB used in Oct of 06. It had a little over 70K on it. My wife and I felt we needed the extra room of the full crew cab, and the mega was still too $$. We were very happy with the performance of the Ram/Cummins we were replacing.

Right away, the speedo quit working. Right about that time, a letter came in the mail from GM, that they were recalling the gauge cluster due to a bad speedo gauge. But, they were only covering it up to 70K. This is a $45K truck, and they were only going to cover the speedo (not a service-able part) up to 70K miles! I politely spoke with everyone's supervisor, up to the regional manager. Still, I had to pay for the repair. Mind you, that was a $600 part. I was very upset, but always polite and respectful when dealing with them.

Based on the attitude I got from corporate GM, I don't think I'll look to a GM product for the foreseeable future. That's too bad, because I really like the ergonomics and some of the features their products have.

My wife is bugging me for a different vehicle. One of the vehicles she wants is a P/U, and I can't bring myself to consider a GM product. I think I will be finding a Toyota product that fits that need.

I hope I did not turn this into a US/Jap debate, that was not my intention, I wanted to share with you my experience with GM, specifically.

PE

 

[winter4ever]

Next year the f150 is going to have a Boss 6.2 liter. Over 400 hp and 400 pounds of torque. Cant wait to see how that thing runs!!

 

[AndrettiDog]

I hope I did not turn this into a US/Jap debate, that was not my intention, I wanted to share with you my experience with GM, specifically.

I don't think you did this, I think that was already there. But I do have to say that the story you gave above is true of all the manufacturers in question here. I've heard people tell these stories with GM, Ford, Dodge and even Toyota. My parents tried to trade in a 2007 BMW 325xi with around 40K miles on it for a new Highlander Hybrid. They wouldn't budge on the price. So they kept the BMW and Toyota still wouldn't budge. They are very proud of their vehicles.

 

[Jaynelson]

I don't know about the newer engines in any of the makes, but my 2001 Toyota 4.7 requires a timing belt & water pump replace every 90,000. Manual also states to check valve clearance ever 60k but the dealer says don't worry about that unless it is making noise, etc.

Getting timing belts and water pumps replaced is not cheap, and even if you don't drive that many miles, they recommend every 7 years.

Just something to consider.

New toyota truck motors are all timing chain. All 5.7L are chain, all 4.7L are belt and the new 2010 4.6L is chain.

 

[SAWYER]

Well since everyone is giving negative comments on here I stopped by the local toyota dealership to check them out again today. Guess what..........Still gay. LMAO

Insanebuttpounder I'm not 7 i'm 10 1/2 and my dad will kick your a$$

 

[snowhawkaddict]

Typical Stereo shopper.

Just because they hire well dressed employees does not mean they are gay. But if you checked the guys out thouroughly, felt their interior up, and got their motors running, you might be right!

Those trucks get a lot a looks from the women though, I had to scold Tammy many a time for lame excuses driving it.

Try your method at the Mini dealer, their allways the ones claiming their bigger inside! wink

 

[SAWYER]

^^^lmao^^^

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

Well since everyone is giving negative comments on here I stopped by the local toyota dealership to check them out again today. Guess what..........Still gay. LMAO

Insanebuttpounder I'm not 7 i'm 10 1/2 and my dad will kick your a$$

I think you have spent too much time with your uncledaddy , too much gay talk..... makes one wonder. Actually , ive read your babble. i dont wonder at all. sj

 

[B C]

I suspect that both trucks have features you like and dislike about them. It appears that they are at least close in cost to you, OTD.

I can relay a personal experience I had with GM:

I purchased an 04 Duramax CC/SB used in Oct of 06. It had a little over 70K on it. My wife and I felt we needed the extra room of the full crew cab, and the mega was still too $$. We were very happy with the performance of the Ram/Cummins we were replacing.

Right away, the speedo quit working. Right about that time, a letter came in the mail from GM, that they were recalling the gauge cluster due to a bad speedo gauge. But, they were only covering it up to 70K. This is a $45K truck, and they were only going to cover the speedo (not a service-able part) up to 70K miles! I politely spoke with everyone's supervisor, up to the regional manager. Still, I had to pay for the repair. Mind you, that was a $600 part. I was very upset, but always polite and respectful when dealing with them.

Based on the attitude I got from corporate GM, I don't think I'll look to a GM product for the foreseeable future. That's too bad, because I really like the ergonomics and some of the features their products have.

My wife is bugging me for a different vehicle. One of the vehicles she wants is a P/U, and I can't bring myself to consider a GM product. I think I will be finding a Toyota product that fits that need.

I hope I did not turn this into a US/Jap debate, that was not my intention, I wanted to share with you my experience with GM, specifically.

PE

You bought a used truck w/ over 70,000 miles on it. The component in question was originally warrantied to 36,000 miles, and the special coverage extended it to 70,000. You were over the limit in both cases, I'm curious why you think they should have covered this for you?

And FYI- no else's instrament clusters are warrantied past 50,000 miles, most are 36,000. Why is GM the bad guy for not covering something out of warranty on a used truck? If you just bought it, and it's out of coverage maybe the place you just bought it should help you out?

 

[Polar Express]

BC,

Fair question, here's why I feel that way:

I was told personally by the regional manager on the phone, that they KNEW they had a problem with a specific run of bad parts. If they know they have a problem, they have enough technology to track exactly what vehicles that problem run went into, and recall those. I'm not talking about an anomaly fail, I'm referring to an entire batch of supplied parts that GM knew were faulty.

Like it or not, it is a safety item, and it should have been a full recall campaign for the effected vehicles, regardless of 1st owner, 2nd owner, 22nd owner, or mileage.

If I misuse something, or fail to maintain it, I don't expect it to last forever, or even through the warranty period. But that part is not "misuse-able" (if that's even a word). The part does not allow for maintenance of any kind.
Do you spend the extra $ for a Diesel package vehicle so a safety item that you cannot service or misuse will fail?

And, in my personal experiences with GM, I was always respectful and polite on the telephone, they were not. My local dealer was great, but it was out of their hands.

If the fuel delivery system is warrantied for 200K miles (I saw and read the bulletin) it is clear the vehicle is intended to last that long, with proper maintenance and use. The same year vehicle is prone to cracking fuel injectors (bad injector design), and flooding the crankcase with diesel fuel. This lowers the lubricity of the engine oil, thus resulting in damage to the bearing surfaces that are protected by said oil. GM wanted me to wait to replace the injectors until they failed and flooded the crankcase before they would replace the injectors with the updated design. But... they would not cover damage done to the bearing surfaces due to contaminated oil. Nor would they cover towing if I called the moment it threw the SES light for the abnormal fuel flow. Part of the reason I bought a diesel truck was the drivetrain longevity factor. This particular problem has a serious effect on longevity. Again, they had a known problem, and did not want to address it. I was 33 then, how many vehicles will I buy over the course of my lifetime? Likely lots, how many GM vehicles will I consider after this experience? Likely none.

You have some specific knowledge of that instrument cluster failure and the subsequent response, do you work for or with GM? By the way, the letter I got in the mail, said 70K miles, not 50K. So, everyone who got that letter was covered up to 70K.

So, if you feel that I'm being unfairly harsh to GM, do you want to pay for their corporate design errors or quality control errors?

I used to be a mechanic, and I have 3 friends that worked at that dealership, a mechanic, a parts manager and a service writer. I had access to more information than the average customer, so I got the inside scoop about how GM was hosing customers.

 

[B C]

I agree it's a safety concern. But I think by voluntarily increasing the mileage coverage; they dodged a full blown recall. Ie. any miles plus a ten year replacement time. Unfortunately the NTSB didn't think it was big enough problem to force a full blown recall either.

I just have a hard time when there is a stated warranty, and mnfg's are expected to just keep covering components for ever. When they don't, they become the bad guy, even though they help up their end of the deal. This is not limited to the automotive industry either. Now there are exceptions to this obviously, your engine example being one.

The 50k comment was refering tocoverge by some other mfng's bumper to bumper, not GM's 70k special policy.

So if I read correctly, you think they should cover it because it's a safety issue? And don't take this as a personal bash, I was just curioius.