yup, another drive belt fairlure

[Einar74]

I guess is if owned one I would be playing down the problems.

But don´t you agree that it is wrong to sacrifice reliability for weight on a backcountry sled on as critical part as the drive train?
If you need to run the motor hard to give it a proper brake-in, how are you going to gently brake-in the belt at the same time?
I know the 07-08 DD had issues with there mechanical reverse.( what mechanical system has been good?)But the M7 DD was very reliable and I think the 09-11 m8 has been good with the one bearing upgrade.

I am not here to say that Arctic Cat is better then Polaris. the Pro is a great sled in many ways.I even am willing to say that it is more then likely my next sled will be a Polaris Pro-RMK, specially if Arctic Cat will continue with the long track trail sled.
But if they don´t improve there quality control on critical components as engine and drive train. I will be sticking to my 2011 m8 longer then I planned.
If you think about. It it is crazy that a owner of a brand new sled has so little trust in is engine that he is willing to spend money on it for reliability reasons before he even starts to use it.

 

[edavis0202]

I guess is if owned one I would be playing down the problems.

But don´t you agree that it is wrong to sacrifice reliability for weight on a backcountry sled on as critical part as the drive train?
If you need to run the motor hard to give it a proper brake-in, how are you going to gently brake-in the belt at the same time?
I know the 07-08 DD had issues with there mechanical reverse.( what mechanical system has been good?)But the M7 DD was very reliable and I think the 09-11 m8 has been good with the one bearing upgrade.

I am not here to say that Arctic Cat is better then Polaris. the Pro is a great sled in many ways.I even am willing to say that it is more then likely my next sled will be a Polaris Pro-RMK, specially if Arctic Cat will continue with the long track trail sled.
But if they don´t improve there quality control on critical components as engine and drive train. I will be sticking to my 2011 m8 longer then I planned.
If you think about. It it is crazy that a owner of a brand new sled has so little trust in is engine that he is willing to spend money on it for reliability reasons before he even starts to use it.

I’m not playing down the problems, I’m realistic about the components and how they work. If you think a PRO is a trail sled, they you over spent and should be riding a Yamaha. With each new year, comes new innovation, problems happen that R&D in the field won’t show because they weren’t massed produced. If you build 10-20 sleds compared to 100’s then quality control probably isn’t a problem.

Get into a meadow and take short WOT pulls for a couple hundred feet, putting load on the engine and allowing the belt to turn more freely without tension of a hard packed trail.<O</O
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I’m not saying these are bullet proof, but if done properly they can certainly be a durable drive train.<O></O>
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What happen last year when Cats had a bad batch of clutch belts…or the fact they had so many people blow up the sled because they over filled the oil that they put a sticker on the oil tank that said “fill up to here”…O how soon we forget<O></O>
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[Einar74]

I’m not playing down the problems, I’m realistic about the components and how they work. If you think a PRO is a trail sled, they you over spent and should be riding a Yamaha. With each new year, comes new innovation, problems happen that R&D in the field won’t show because they weren’t massed produced. If you build 10-20 sleds compared to 100’s then quality control probably isn’t a problem.

Get into a meadow and take short WOT pulls for a couple hundred feet, putting load on the engine and allowing the belt to turn more freely without tension of a hard packed trail.<O</O
<O</O
I’m not saying these are bullet proof, but if done properly they can certainly be a durable drive train.<O></O>
<O></O>
What happen last year when Cats had a bad batch of clutch belts…or the fact they had so many people blow up the sled because they over filled the oil that they put a sticker on the oil tank that said “fill up to here”…O how soon we forget<O></O>
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I never said Pro was a trail sled I was talking about the AC Proclimb. you must have mis-read.

 

[Twostroke]

I do not see how these problems will ever go away with this drive system. No grown man is going to ***** foot around on trails for 100+ miles when there is fresh powder or decent boondocking to be had, well maybe if your worried about your driveshaft breaking(had to go there). Lets get real here, telling guys that buy a mtn sled that they have to ride trail is completely unrealistic!

 

[Scott]

I do not see how these problems will ever go away with this drive system. No grown man is going to ***** foot around on trails for 100+ miles when there is fresh powder or decent boondocking to be had, well maybe if your worried about your driveshaft breaking(had to go there). Lets get real here, telling guys that buy a mtn sled that they have to ride trail is completely unrealistic!

I never puzzy-footed mine around. But I wasn't ROUGH on it either. No HARD throttle or HARD brakes or landings while throttled or braking.

I have ridden or ridden with 4 2013 Pros this season that broke in the same way. NO problems.

Acutally...one of them WAS hammered on like he stole it. He's got over 100 so far. NOT a single problem.


I'm at about 240 miles. Doing just fine. No problems.

 

[metallicat]

I do not see how these problems will ever go away with this drive system. No grown man is going to ***** foot around on trails for 100+ miles when there is fresh powder or decent boondocking to be had, well maybe if your worried about your driveshaft breaking(had to go there). Lets get real here, telling guys that buy a mtn sled that they have to ride trail is completely unrealistic!

If people are going to post on here, please read the forum first! Twostroke, You keep referring to riding the "trail" for the break in. That's exactly what they recommend you try to LIMIT! There are many posts on here informing us that hard pack trail is worse than riding in the powder for break in. I'm not going to re explain why to all that HAVE already done some homework.

 

[Scott]

If people are going to post on here, please read the forum first! Twostroke, You keep referring to riding the "trail" for the break in. That's exactly what they recommend you try to LIMIT! There are many posts on here informing us that hard pack trail is worse than riding in the powder for break in. I'm not going to re explain why to all that HAVE already done some homework.

Exactly. They reccommend powder riding for best breakin.
Pounding trails on and off the throttle, through the whoops, ditch banging and braking hard go against their break-in reccomendations.

 

[snowmobiler]

will they hold up with a 400 pound rider?.

 

[richracer1]

will they hold up with a 400 pound rider?.

Why, are you or gramma looking to buy a Pro?

 

[1Mike900]

Since others of thought of pulley runout, variance in design, belt tension etc..
What would happen if the upper pulley is getting very hot due to excessive brake application or just brake drag? Now you stop and let it cool like they say to do, will that over cook that area in contact? What is the max. temp before significant degradation? Could it be the gear ratio is just a little to high and should have been geared down so the belt would have less strain applied? Does a overly tightened track at break-in cause too much stress on the drive belt? Maybe some belts stretch just a little more and that overloads the individual cogs on the top sprocket which have maybe been overcooked from a previous cool down? These are just some thoughts! Mike

 

[knifedge]

imo

--I don't trust Polaris OEM proprietory drivetrain components anymore than I trust Polaris OEM engine.

--Polaris has proven to me with their engine designs, that they are more interested in profit margin than reliable, high performance product. If the QD system actually cost more to build than the standard chain drive, do you think Polaris would have offered it? Imagine having a QD drive system installed on rental sleds, what a nightmare.

--Basically, it seems to be a poor, yet cost effective design(based on Gates published recommendations on building a belt drive system) that offers BLING and high product sales.

--Polaris OEM design QD system == BLING

--C3 belt drive system == reliable, high performance, and BLING (Cost more to build it right though)

 

[BGYDOP1]

C3

I'm ordering a C3 system and putting it on the shelf, if the stock system craps out before summer then that will give me an excuse to change it. I like the fact of having a tensioner-simple physics. I find it very Golf Alpha Yankee the process of breaking in a belt that's historically handled these conditions without fail. It will be interesting to see what Polaris -hits out for the 2014 spring check, it's just around the corner for the spring checks anyway. PV if you want to check out the belt for any comparison let me know.

 

[BGYDOP1]

"They"

If people are going to post on here, please read the forum first! Twostroke, You keep referring to riding the "trail" for the break in. That's exactly what they recommend you try to LIMIT! There are many posts on here informing us that hard pack trail is worse than riding in the powder for break in. I'm not going to re explain why to all that HAVE already done some homework.

First off who's "they" page 65 Polaris manual (Yeah I actually read it, first time for everything" break in doesn't say D-ck about powder or trail riding for QD break in, that would be a re-re assumption. That's about as accurate as a penis ruler.

 

[minecat]

ok I have the cmx drive on my 2012 pro and I also I have a 2013 pro both drive systems went out on their maden voyage at the same time diffence is that CMX doesnt have a break in procedure for their drive system they said to run the piss out of it just dont use reverse for the first ride (besause of the revers threaded pulley) But polaris wants us to do a 100 mile break in ride come on that is bull crap. I think Cmx nees to make a quick and easy pulley and tensioner idler for the QD drive so I can run there belts and say screw polaris. I will belt that the CMX belt will out last the QD belt.

 

[Always war]

First off who's "they" page 65 Polaris manual (Yeah I actually read it, first time for everything" break in doesn't say D-ck about powder or trail riding for QD break in, that would be a re-re assumption. That's about as accurate as a penis ruler.

"They" as in the dealers who are selling you the sled. You know, the ones who go over the belt break-in with you...right before you sign the paper, saying that they went over break-in period with you.

 

[metallicat]

Also "they" as in a lot of the other people on this forum who have also talked to their educated dealers. I didn't say anything about the book. trust me, i've read that too. doesn't tell you much. All I'm saying is read the forums before you get spouting off about stuff.

 

[Freeride1]

I think a simple slipper clutch to prevent the belt from being overloaded would solve all the problems. I think snocross sleds have them to save the drivetrain on hard landings.

My track was slipping like crazy the first two days I rode then I tightened it and the quick drive stripped out. I was looking at the quick drive constantly an checking the belt temp with my bare hand. It never showed a sign of damage until I hit a water bar going uphill. I knew it was the quick drive the second it happened. It sounded like a loose chaincase. I really think my loose track saved the quickdrive the first two hard days.

 

[jltbo]

Have seen it were the brake disc had warped and melted the two spots of near contact on the belt. This also explained the first broken belt,melted then broke.

 

[Goin For Snow]

are the inside of the belt pulleys cast or machined?
with all the china made parts is there a tolerance accumulation that is leading to runout on the ends of the pulleys?

with all the randomness of failure, I think more of a setup (run, alingment, ect) than a break in issue.
this is stupid they are having issues after all the test miles put on last spring.

 

[AaronBND]

Wouldn't it be cool and worth a lot to people for a sled manufacture to come out and say "When you buy your sled from us, break in is 'ride it like you stole it'". All of this is Bullsh*t for a mountain sled that costs $12,000.00. I just sold my 4 year old M1000 (which btw never once broke down) to stay on a reliable sled in the backcountry. Now I have to worry about a stupid belt that costs a ridiculous amount of money and never gives me peace of mind! I shouldn't have to carry around two belts (clutch and drive) that are worth $300 because of their lack of testing. I don't carry around a new transmission in the bed of my Dodge Cummins! I want my M back............

Aaron