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Wyoming looses 1.2 MILLION acres to wilderness

How the F#*K did the people of this great country let this happen.

One little bite at a time.
The liberals know what they are doing.
It's only a little bit here and a little bit there.
It is in one state at a time. It only affects a small amount of people, so no-one notices.

Look at sledders.
We lose land all the time.
Do you see sledders coming out in droves to defend land they don't ride on?
We can't even get our own to stand up, why do you think anyone else would.
 
I'll admit I don't know the land areas that are part of these new "wilderness" areas but are they "true" wilderness? Seems like a lot of what they are trying to lock up have been affected in some manner to void them of wilderness designation by it's own definition.
Wilderness is defined as...
...an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain.
Several newly designated wilderness areas, i.e. "Wild Sky" in Washington state, have many miles of roads that clearly prove that man himself was a visitor who DID remain- by leaving evidence of roadways in this so-called "land untrammeled by man".
It is so contradictory it should be obvious, but most of the tree-humpers are blinded by their own agenda to see the fault in their beliefs.....
 
and the enviro's have paid enough to get politicians to slightly change the meaning.
They now read it to be if they can RETURN it to before man's interference.
That is how they got wildsky thru.

What we need is a few million dollars and a few years to challenge both the Endangered Species Act and the Wilderness Act under the fraud waste and abuse messure.

so of cource it won't happen.
 
when is enough really enough?
when will people stand up and say "no more?"
How much longer until reality sets in?

Will it be soon enough?
 
well there comes a time when you have to grow balls and take your chances, if it means breaking laws or you start with attitude that you will no longer believe in their laws. This time is here. when injustice becomes law you can fold or stand tall with a big finger pointed in the mans face! you can sit and watch old sled videos and drool on old picture of when i used to ride or take your chances and ride, you know what choice me and the friends have made. If they make it all wilderness, i am still riding, and if everyone ignores their BS, the laws will be meaningless and we win! And if they take my sled, that is fine too, i will buy a lot of old azzed JD's what is the forest circus going to do with all these old sled?
 
I'm right there with ya :)

Those were more just rhetorical musings on my part about when the rest of this nation will wake up and smell the sh!tpile that they are living in.
 
Not Quiet true.

We dodged the bullet this time. There are more wilderness bills still to come that do include WYO. See below where it says "While the legislation doesn't include any wilderness designations in Wyoming". There are some in other states that are included. It was a hard fought bill. We need to keep fighting the fight.

If your not a member of "Sportsmen for the Wyoming Range" I would join. They were a huge help on getting the Wyoming Range Legacy Act passed that isn't any new wilderness in the Wyoming range but prohibits new oil and gas leasing there. They will help fight for areas other than the Wyoming Range.

Not only is the Wyoming and Salt River ranges in jeopardy of wilderness. The Sierra Madras, Snowies, Bighorns, Absorkies and some others not listed are slated to add to established wilderness.

Now more than ever we need to voice our concerns of wilderness. Not just in Wyoming. Anywhere more wilderness is proposed

http://wyomingrangesportsmen.org/homepage.php


WASHINGTON -- For the second time this year, the Senate has passed a long-delayed bill that includes measures to limit further oil and gas leasing in the Wyoming Range and designate the Snake River headwaters as "wild and scenic."

The bill also would set aside more than 2 million acres in nine other states as protected wilderness, from a California mountain range to a forest in Virginia.

The 77-20 vote on Thursday sends the bill to the House, where final legislative approval could come as early as next week.

The Senate first approved the measure in January, but the House rejected it last week amid a partisan dispute over gun rights. The gun issue was not raised during Senate debate.

The legislation is a package of nearly 170 separate bills. It also includes federal compensation to ranchers for wolf-killed livestock.

Sens. Mike Enzi and John Barrasso, R-Wyo., voted for the bill Thursday. Rep. Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo., voted against the bill last week in the House last week and has continued to express concern about the omnibus bill.

Barrasso said he disagreed with the way the 170 bills were bundled together, but felt it was important to support the Wyoming measures.

"I am proud that proposals generated by folks in Wyoming have today passed the U.S. Senate," Barrasso said. "This is the direct result of people working together in their communities."

The bill would prohibit any new oil and gas leasing, mining patents or geothermal leasing in a 100-mile-long stretch of the Bridger-Teton National Forest in western Wyoming. It would also protect 387 miles of rivers and streams in the Snake River drainage under the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act.

The Wyoming measures have the support of conservation organizations, sporting groups, and union and trade organizations, as well as Gov. Dave Freudenthal. Oil and gas industry groups oppose the Wyoming Range measure.

While the legislation doesn't include any wilderness designations in Wyoming, it would confer the government's highest level of protection on land ranging from California's Sierra Nevada mountain range and Oregon's Mount Hood to Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado and parts of the Jefferson National Forest in Virginia.

Land in Idaho's Owyhee canyons, Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore in Michigan and Zion National Park in Utah also would win designation as wilderness. The proposals would expand wilderness designation -- which blocks nearly all development -- into areas that now are not protected.

Supporters called the legislation among the most important conservation bills debated in Congress in decades.

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, hailed the Idaho provision, which he has been seeking for eight years. The bill represents a compromise among a host of competing groups that have long disagreed over how to manage the rugged canyonland in southwestern Idaho.

"The people who worked on the Owyhee Initiative came from many groups and institutions that historically were battling head-to-head and instead were willing to work through things in a way that sets a tremendous example for how we should approach land management decisions and conflicts in this nation," Crapo said.

Lawmakers from both parties told similar tales in other states, praising the bill as a hard-fought compromise.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has battled Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., for months over the lands bill, said he was pleased the Senate was finally able to pass it on a bipartisan basis. Reid called the bill important to his home state, Nevada, and to the nation.

Coburn held up the bill's passage last year and again this year, arguing that it was unnecessary and would block energy development on millions of acres of federal land. The bill moved forward this week after Coburn was allowed to submit six amendments for approval. Five were defeated.

A sixth provision, softening a provision to impose criminal penalties for collecting some fossilized rocks on federal land, was included in the final bill.

Because of a parliamentary maneuver adopted in the Senate, the House is expected to take up the bill under a rule that blocks amendments or other motions to derail it. Republicans used the threat of an amendment to allow loaded guns in national parks to defeat the wilderness bill last week.
 
not really any sarcasm, just think it would be better for hunting if there was more wilderness. plus you should see all the destruction in the summer from the 4 wheelers...
talk about some chicken sh*t people on here... not one person left there name with the imaginary negative rep. im so hurt by that too haha
dog meat why dont you go f*ck yourself
 
not really any sarcasm, just think it would be better for hunting if there was more wilderness. plus you should see all the destruction in the summer from the 4 wheelers...
talk about some chicken sh*t people on here... not one person left there name with the imaginary negative rep. im so hurt by that too haha
dog meat why dont you go f*ck yourself

Wow
 
not really any sarcasm, just think it would be better for hunting if there was more wilderness. plus you should see all the destruction in the summer from the 4 wheelers...
talk about some chicken sh*t people on here... not one person left there name with the imaginary negative rep. im so hurt by that too haha
dog meat why dont you go f*ck yourself

You really think they won't outlaw hunting on wilderness some day. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Your going to be so mad when they introduce that bill. Talk to the backcountry horse groups, they wouldn't agree with you. A lot of hunters wouldn't agree with you.

When you disenfranchise a large percentage of "users". You shouldn't expect those singled out users to help you.
 
You really think they won't outlaw hunting on wilderness some day. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Your going to be so mad when they introduce that bill. Talk to the backcountry horse groups, they wouldn't agree with you. A lot of hunters wouldn't agree with you.

When you disenfranchise a large percentage of "users". You shouldn't expect those singled out users to help you.

Exactly...that's why you should always side with "Multiple Use" designations.
 
i still dont see where some people get off thinking they will change whats happening by complaining about it on here... god forbid anyone have a different agenda other than hardcore snowmobiling.
i look at this sport like tobacco, pretty soon there will be so many restrictions and taxes only the rich will be having fun.
 
i still dont see where some people get off thinking they will change whats happening by complaining about it on here... god forbid anyone have a different agenda other than hardcore snowmobiling.
i look at this sport like tobacco, pretty soon there will be so many restrictions and taxes only the rich will be having fun.

One unified attempt by American's can reverse the entire process overnight. How many times have countries completely reversed everything about their country. It happens all the time. Think of it as a gaint wrecking ball, the liberals will push it until gravity takes over, and then it will swing, it's not if, it's when.

I've personally witnessed a forest service reversal due to outraged persons. It happens.
 
not really any sarcasm, just think it would be better for hunting if there was more wilderness. plus you should see all the destruction in the summer from the 4 wheelers...
talk about some chicken sh*t people on here... not one person left there name with the imaginary negative rep. im so hurt by that too haha
dog meat why dont you go f*ck yourself .....
And yet here is a nice picture of your riding a dirt bike across a meadow and ur the one p1ssing and moaning about the damage 4 wheelers do

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i still dont see where some people get off thinking they will change whats happening by complaining about it on here... god forbid anyone have a different agenda other than hardcore snowmobiling.
i look at this sport like tobacco, pretty soon there will be so many restrictions and taxes only the rich will be having fun.

As far as agenda, what other kindof agenda should we have? Please enlighten us.. People like you dont realize that some here spend a good amount of time each week in supporting our sport. If it wasnt for this site I bet a few hundred letters dont get written... A lot less people show up for our clean-ups. Shame buddy.

Malcontents like you just like to rock the boat and hope you'll drag a few others into your warped outlook on things.
 
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."





sound familiar?
 
that pic is from an enduro on private land. might look like its across a meadow but its on the coarse. i guess what i should have said from the start is that id like to see better management of the snowies in winter and summer not just wilderness. thats what my agenda is. next time i pick trash ill take a pic of it and mabey you will see the point i was trying to make. i think some people dont see the negative things when this is just a weekend destination not where you live. wasnt trying to get negative until people started leavin nasty remarks and tellin me to kill myself... give me a break is that necessary? next time i post on a subject like this i will elaborate instead of leaving my post up for assumption, cause the a$$ was made out of of me .
Look at sledders.
We lose land all the time.
Do you see sledders coming out in droves to defend land they don't ride on?
We can't even get our own to stand up, why do you think anyone else would.
ollie hit this on the nose!
 
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