Wtf is the deal with the grooming on stampede?

[JETJOHNSO]

THOSE ARE STATE PARKS LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE

We do not pay them that I know of, but they do serve a very important purpose ,, to make sure everyone has a snopark permit, and a sled registration. We've asked them to patrol the snopark. ( kittitas County Grooming Council ) We used to have a very high "non compliance" issue at crystal springs,, If they dont register their sled or buy the snopark permit, we get nothing. They have helped tremendously, please give them some slack, AND your correct, we dont get any money when they write the tickets, but we do get the money when people go out and buy their reg or permit for the next weekend !! Crystal springs is under a very tight micro scope with the local neighbors. To much alcahol abuse, people speeding up and down the roads in and out , garbage, noise ect ect. THEY ARE DOING WHAT WE HAVE ASKED THEM. you want to loose the snopark,??? And just for info, years ago we have had issues with parking on big weekends, thats why we put up the parking sign up . they do help with that but mostly their presence has helped a ton. Most of you dont know what all has been going on up there, but I can tell you we've been battling law suits for the last couple years to keep this snopark open. From one who has been involved with this snopark since it's begining, and built the original groomer shed.

 

[H20SKE]

Trails were groomed today(thursday) and roads are smooth.

See how fast ya all chew them up!!

 

[Troy Magrum]

You guys are funny. I think I will just ride
Dave thanks for the sled ramp. Works great.

 

[winter brew]

Thanks Dan. I know there is a lot going on that most of us aren't aware of. We give law enforcement our respect but this particular guy is getting a little "over the top"....reminds me of Hoctor over in CleElum about 10 years ago. The other LEO I have talked with was friendly and reasonable and just did his job and moved on.
Is there some sort of theft issue going on there?? Maybe that's one of the reasons why there is full time "security". ???

 

[WHEREDAFUGAWEE]

I was up there riding last sunday with my brother and troy magrum on a beautiful day with hardly anyone at the snowpark. That same officer approached me as i was unloading the sleds and asked if i would back my rig and trailer towards the snow bank and explained to me that even though there were hardly anyone there, he wanted to use my rig PROPERLY parked as an example to others to park that same way, at an angle and up against the snow bank. I scratched my head but then said what the @##$ and backed it up 5 feet or so...... just 5 feet really? Great riding that day though!

 

[joel97mustang]

I find it hard to believe that the grooming system is breaking under the weight of a few sledders NOT paying their tab/permit fees and/or acting like a bunch of yahoos. There are other issues at play mostly, Olympia, law enforcement. As you said they are ALWAYS looking for excuses to shut us down.

Politicians call it "starving the beast" they build a system that requires a constant source of funding then slowly steal/deprive the system of funds then say "oh we have to shut it down, we tried, people just don't want to pay for it"

If hypothetically, there are a MAJORITY of sledders not paying their tab/permit fees then that speaks to the issue itself, riders do not see the value in the current system.

I myself like it better when there are fewer people riding an area and when breaking trail was something you did to get to the good stuff, even if it took all day. It's much better than 200 trucks, 400 sleds, two mile walk to park your truck, etc.etc.

If the powers that be outlaw sledding I will continue to ride no matter what system is or isn't in place. By the way I am registered, and paid up for three sleds!

Our community needs to grow some balls. The status quo is NOT working!

We do not pay them that I know of, but they do serve a very important purpose ,, to make sure everyone has a snopark permit, and a sled registration. We've asked them to patrol the snopark. ( kittitas County Grooming Council ) We used to have a very high "non compliance" issue at crystal springs,, If they dont register their sled or buy the snopark permit, we get nothing. They have helped tremendously, please give them some slack, AND your correct, we dont get any money when they write the tickets, but we do get the money when people go out and buy their reg or permit for the next weekend !! Crystal springs is under a very tight micro scope with the local neighbors. To much alcahol abuse, people speeding up and down the roads in and out , garbage, noise ect ect. THEY ARE DOING WHAT WE HAVE ASKED THEM. you want to loose the snopark,??? And just for info, years ago we have had issues with parking on big weekends, thats why we put up the parking sign up . they do help with that but mostly their presence has helped a ton. Most of you dont know what all has been going on up there, but I can tell you we've been battling law suits for the last couple years to keep this snopark open. From one who has been involved with this snopark since it's begining, and built the original groomer shed.

 

[catzr]

Wtf is the deal with grooming on Stampete

joel97mustang REALLY,do you believe what you just said. How current do you think you are on the issues? Do you remember the good ol days when we all had winches on our rigs, when we spent more time digging or tugging. Please do some research about the grooming and funding issues in this state. If you think we are alone, do some checking about fees and permits in all the neighboring states and up North. Without going into details again,
the Wa. state program is ran by, advised by, or administered by snowmobilers.
To get ahold of local information, go to www.wssa.us, and then find your local rep.. I am not saying the current system is perfect. But it works for the families, beginners, and experts, it lets you go to other areas, without alot of complications. I say thank you for that. Sorry for the rant.

 

[Minten]

Met the groomer on the way back from the dishes on Monday. It was glass smooth.....

 

[bent wrench]

Conditions

For the warm weather we had over the holiday weekend (and the rain on Saturday) the trails weren't all that bad. Pretty bumpy from Meadow Creek to Stampede RD on Sunday afternoon but that road was in the sun all day. Without some good fresh snow the trail will not bond together, it is "snow-cone" consistancy right now. I've been over several times this year and the trails have been pretty good for only 32 hours a week. Thanks Lind's for doing what you can with what you are given.