I fired my CR500 off an embankment a few years back, my buddy and I set up a 4 to 1 using a few carabiners and munter hitch and the two of us hauled it up. the lightweight solution is in the climbing world, it'll just be expensive is all.
Winch to get unstuck?
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I too was thinking about a wide flat hook to connnect to a track window, or even connect to two windows. There are places online which sell 1” strap and various hooks. I heard about this method over 15 years ago and recently saw it on a survival story. I think it was the Rulon Garndner story and what he could have done but I could be wrong.
You're right the answer is in the climbing world, but it can actually be done very cheaply. The only real cost is the rope and for our purposes you can find something pretty cheap there. I am a mountain guide so I am pretty versed in this stuff. I will take a photo of my set up later here.
So here we go. You should be able to set yourself up for less than $100 as long as you can find a decent deal on a piece of rope. You want a static line of at least 9mm.
Knowledge is the real key here, do some reading up on crevasse rescue and all these systems will make sense. Good skills to have for many other applications in the mountains.
This is the kit I carry in my front fender bag. I carry another piece of rope the same size for times I would need more length.
Knowledge is the real key here, do some reading up on crevasse rescue and all these systems will make sense. Good skills to have for many other applications in the mountains.
This is the kit I carry in my front fender bag. I carry another piece of rope the same size for times I would need more length.
So as long as you have the length of rope then this is the best system. Pretty easy one man operation in most situations. 5 to 1 with friction more like 4 to 1.
I have a Garda hitch on the anchor with 2 identical d biners. Ideal here would be another prussik minding pulley like I will show in the next post. The Garda increases friction and therefore reduces mechanical advantage. But putting the pulley on the load being lifted takes precedent if you only have one pulley.
I have a Garda hitch on the anchor with 2 identical d biners. Ideal here would be another prussik minding pulley like I will show in the next post. The Garda increases friction and therefore reduces mechanical advantage. But putting the pulley on the load being lifted takes precedent if you only have one pulley.
Simplest system 3 to 1 really 2 to 1 with friction. Couple guys could haul a bike out of a deep tree well with this one.
Awesome. I love rigging and I love knots. My favorite knot in the word is the munter hitch. In my trade most guys just call it a burn not. Amazingly handy to be able to untie a knot with thousands of pounds of pull force on the rope. I am curious though why do you think you need 9 mm static rope? I have a separate webbing for towing and dont feel like my “winch” will ever see any shock loading. I went with 5 mm cord. I am using blocks/pulleys instead of carabiners though so maybe the friction is an issue?
Exactly the grip nots on the prussiks (cord) need the 9mm to grip. Static just because it is easy to find old climbing rope which is dynamic meaning it has stretch which will work but more effort is involved.
You can definitely get away with thinner ropes but the thicker just makes a cheap simple system easier.
We use the munter hitch as a rope descending/ lowering tool in my world.
Of course, the prussik. Makes sense. The blocks I use have a rope catch so I don’t need to use one. Space is always limited. 9 mm rope definitely takes up a bit of space.
Great topic. With some great ideas. Lets not forget about 2 other mountaineering terms. Belay and rappel.
With your same rope gear you can lower your bike safely and in full control. I've never winched my machine with rope, but I've done a short rappel a few times to get to a safe ledge. One of our favourite new loops needs just a little controlled lowering onto a narrow ledge. Then a short traverse to the spot where you can drop in. I use 6mm static line in my setup. Plus a few biners and slings and an big old figure 8 belay/rappel device. As long as you keep the system static, I think the 6mm rope is plenty strong.
I'm going to throw a couple of old pulleys into my gear in case I need a winch. Great idea.
With your same rope gear you can lower your bike safely and in full control. I've never winched my machine with rope, but I've done a short rappel a few times to get to a safe ledge. One of our favourite new loops needs just a little controlled lowering onto a narrow ledge. Then a short traverse to the spot where you can drop in. I use 6mm static line in my setup. Plus a few biners and slings and an big old figure 8 belay/rappel device. As long as you keep the system static, I think the 6mm rope is plenty strong.
I'm going to throw a couple of old pulleys into my gear in case I need a winch. Great idea.
I'm from a tactical rescue background (firefighter) and when I was on the team we used to train for river rescue by rapping off the end of the rope using an 8 into the river wearing full dive gear. What a rush. If nothing else it teaches you the importance of having a knot on the bottom of your rope. We used to do the same thing slinging from a chopper to quickly access lake victims.
So I read this thread a while back, didn't think much of it. My soon-to-be wife works in rope access, and made me aware (by buying me one for my birthday) of the ISC Haulerbiner. Super small, light, and has built in progress capture. RockNRescue has it less than half off right now. https://www.rocknrescue.com/product/isc-haulerbiner-rescue-kit/
I would think a piece of tubular webbing could work to fashion a removable sling with knots
