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Will this be the deadliest year ever for avy deaths?

Well unfortunately the Dec death layer has claimed some more victims. As I said in my first post this is no ordinary snowpack. If this layer lets go it will be huge as it is now buried very deep. A couple of pointers that I haven't already mentioned

If you are going to climb a hill and there is someone at the bottom ask them to move before you climb it.

Always cross a potential slide area one at a time don't dawdle and look up hill while you are crossing, have your buddies watch you.

Before you stop for a break or whatever make sure where you have stopped is safe. Look around you even if you are on the flats, are the trees bent over, do they show signs of flagging. If you are in a clearing, is it clear because avy activity keeps it clear. This layer has the potential to run to historic maximums or more.

This warm front that is moving through has the potential of weaking the bonding on this layer making it even more reactive in the next few days.
 
Before you stop for a break or whatever make sure where you have stopped is safe. Look around you even if you are on the flats, are the trees bent over, do they show signs of flagging.

Good tips - thanks. Two questions. Could you better define "safe" in where you decide to stop (obviously not underneath other riders up a hill, but beyond that). Also what's tree flagging?
 
Good tips - thanks. Two questions. Could you better define "safe" in where you decide to stop (obviously not underneath other riders up a hill, but beyond that). Also what's tree flagging?
good spots to sit are either on top of the hill, or off to the side of a hill on a slight ridge where if there was an avy, the slope (and gravity) will carry it to the side of you. from hearing of the long runouts of some of this year's slides, sitting in a meadow at the bottom, even a few hundred yards away from the hill is not safe.

tree flagging is when an avy runs over trees, it peels the branches off the side of the tree facing up the hill, and leaves some of the branches on the side facing downhill. the trees will usually be bent over slightly, with the remaining branches hanging off the downhill side resembling a flag. new snow will cover the debris and tree flagging is an easy way to tell you are in a runout zone.
 
More sad news

:(From CAA website:(

Avalanche Fatality
Near Elkford, British Columbia, February 1, 2008
February 2, 2008, 1600hrs PST
On February 2, 2008, the Canadian Avalanche Centre (CAC) was advised by the British
Columbia Coroner’s Service that a fatal avalanche incident occurred near Elkford, British
Columbia on February 1, 2008. One snowmobiler was airlifted from the accident site and
transported to a nearby medical facility where the victim was declared deceased. Further
details are limited at this time and will be released as they become available.
 
Persistent Weak Layers and the Winter of 2007-2008

Persistent Weak Layers and the Winter of 2007-2008
Prepared by: Karl Klassen
Avalanche Forecaster, Canadian Avalanche Centre
Posted January 30, 2008
This winter, backcountry users in western Canada are faced with a particular problem—a
persistent weak layer in the snowpack of many popular mountainous areas. This
discussion is intended to help you better understand how these layers formed and the
challenges related to managing this type of risk. This article is not intended to provide
answers to all the questions you might have. Instead, it provides general guidance and
some tips to help you ask the right questions and gather information that can help you
make an informed decision.
I must stress there is no 100% guarantee of safety in the mountains. You could be caught
in an avalanche, injured, or killed even if you follow every piece of advice in this
discussion and “do everything right.” This being said, in at least half of the avalanche
fatalities to date this season, the victims were either not equipped with appropriate rescue
gear or did not heed clear warnings. Many avalanche accidents are preventable—it’s up
to you to get the training, information, and appropriate equipment to properly manage
your risk if you choose to go into the mountains.
What’s the problem?
A persistent weak layer (PWL) is so called because it does not strengthen over time, and
in some cases it even becomes weaker over time. A PWL can remain unstable for weeks
or even months and is often the cause of avalanches long after it originally forms and is
buried.
A PWL often results in what is referred to as a “deep slab instability”—a deeply buried
weak layer beneath a thick slab or slabs of snow comprised of accumulated snow from
numerous storms. Deep slab avalanches are generally large and highly destructive due to
their size and mass. A PWL that formed in the fall of 2002 and the resultant deep slab
instability was the underlying cause of most of the 29 fatalities that occurred in the winter
of 2002-2003 (the worst avalanche season in recent years), including two large
avalanches that each killed seven people in the Selkirk Mountains.
A variety of crystal forms can contribute to a PWL, but the current concern is a “facets on
crust” layer. Back in the early days of the season, rain saturated the surface of the
snowpack (this is called a “rain on snow event”). As or shortly after that wet layer froze,
facets (sugary snow grains) formed on top of the icy rain crust. Now, that layer of facets
has become a PWL.
This year’s facet on crust PWLs are known or strongly suspected as the cause behind nine
of 11 avalanche fatalities to date, spanning a time frame from December 8, 2007 to
January 16, 2008 and occurring in the Alberta Rockies, the Cariboo Mountains, and the
southern Monashee Mountains. The most active period to date was the first week of
January when numerous fatal accidents made avalanches front page news. The untold
story are the many close calls involving this year’s PWLs that didn’t make the news
starting in mid-November and, as of this writing, continuing to January 24th, occurring in
practically all the mountain ranges of BC and Alberta. You can see reports about many of
these close calls on the Canadian Avalanche Centre’s Discussion Forums at:
http://www.avalanche.ca/default.aspx?DN=586,558,3,Documents.
Experience has shown that PWLs go through cycles where periods of high avalanche
activity are interspersed with periods during which few avalanches occur. When, where,
and why these cycles occur can be difficult to predict with a high degree of accuracy and
are not fully understood. Unstable periods are often related to changes weather factors
such as increased wind, snowfalls, rain, temperature changes (especially from cold to
warm), and solar radiation. A PWL that has produced avalanches and then shows signs of
stability is generally treated with scepticism by knowledgeable practitioners, most of
whom describe such a layer as dormant rather than stable, the assumption being (as
Monty Python once said): “…it’s not dead, it’s just sleeping.”
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Everybody needs to read and remember this!

The danger is here for the rest of the year. I'm very lucky to be alive today, after triggering a massive PWL slide in April a few years ago.
 
We've got 2 highways in the NW and within an hour of us that are closed indefinately.

Lookout Pass on I-90 and Lolo Pass on Hwy 12. And then we have Snoqualamie on I-90.
 
this will be the worst year, until next year...

more and more back country users means more and more avy deaths.

i wish they would try and do percentage statistics of user registration growth vs avalanche death growth. yes there are many who dont register sleds, i think you would see that with the rates increase parallel to each other...

we need to find more ways, check that more EFFECTIVE ways of reaching joe dirt in the trailer park and get them educated on avalanche safety.

*it can happen to anyone, anytime* but lets not increase the odds against us...
 
Its bad enough that this year for the rest of the week, we will be taking a basic level avy course in my JR year high school chemistry class. The sad thing is that with all the back country skiiers and boarders in my class, I was the only one that had a beacon, shovel, and probe to bring in! No one else even had a shovel!
 
*snip*

we need to find more ways, check that more EFFECTIVE ways of reaching joe dirt in the trailer park and get them educated on avalanche safety.

*snip*

Not every joe or jane dirt in the trailer park are uneducated! :eek: ;)
 
I'll be taking 70 kids to Lolo Pass next week for two days of winter survial and Avy training.
 
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