Why?

[firecatguy]

why are you guys on fire all the time?

should be all burnt up by now? how do you have any forest left year after year your on fire??what gives-- ever hear of logging?

2 fireman dead is that worth saving the forest?

I bet you states debt could be taken care of if you sell some wood

 

[REDLINEBILL]

The conservationists won't let us touch it firecatguy. The greenie movement is strong here, and it is their mission to keep everybody off of public land.

 

[firecatguy]

The conservationists won't let us touch it firecatguy. The greenie movement is strong here, and it is their mission to keep everybody off of public land.

that suks you would think year after year-- fire after fire--dollar after dollar and deaths they would see ther mistakes!!

 

[REDLINEBILL]

You would certainly think they would, but NOOOO............... they press on to create more and more wilderness areas every year, closing down our riding areas. They really don't think Public land should be Public. (unless you wear spandex anyway), and I don't recall ever seeing a logger in bike shorts?

 

[ChesterMtnSports]

The fires in socal are mostly Brush fires not really any timber. the fires up here in the last few years have nuked over 100,000 acres and all the private land is logged and replanted right after the fire. The Public ground is left to rot and fall to the ground only to become fuel for the next fire.

It's really sad how the govt mismanages the forest. There are logging trucks driving by my shop all day but it's all from private land... kinda sad.

 

[donbrown]

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160849

To tell you how political the area is.

Our cabin is a 501c3 (a charity) and gets sued every couple years over stuff like people tripping on our stairs while trespassing.

As a 501c3 they can only go after the charities assets and the property is on recreational land. So if they get the property it must be used for recreation and to resale it would be impossible since the National Forest Services regulates us till the accounts go to zero. Plus if they get it it must be maintained or restored to its original natural condition.

If the forest service shut down the 2 -3 dozen cabins left up there they would reduce the workforce ... lots. Road construction, plowing, dedicated police, search rescue, planning, code enforcement etc.

When I first went up there there were 100's if not 1000's of "winter cabins"
Now it is easily under 50.

The cabin is on HWY 2 in the burn area and we don't know if it has burned yet.

And yes there are lots of trees there ... too many and it is common to see 70 plus percent dead in a valley from the beetle. Cant remember but the density is over 10 times recommended per forestry guidelines.

 

[motojunkie101]

On top of that, a congress woman from CA said that the fire is the fault of global warming. I wanted to reach through the TV and slap the stupid out of her! Anyone who has half a brain can understand that with decent forest management you can better contain and reduce the amount of fires as well as INCREASE and IMPROVE animal habitat...thus meeting the animal hugger hippes wants as well.

Earth First!











We'll log the other planets later

 

[PowderCrew]

that suks you would think year after year-- fire after fire--dollar after dollar and deaths they would see ther mistakes!!

Remember there MN (firecatguy)... most of these problems are started for us on the East coast and mid-west! Interest groups and politicians kissing the "city-slicker" a**es for votes leave "us" to physically deal with the reality! And having been on the firelines, working shoulder-to-shoulder with the local entities who make a living there... it might surprise you just how cherished a single tree or a single acre is when you realize how much has been lost the last 10+ years.

 

[PowderCrew]

Thought I would share this... EVERY firefighter in this video (including me) are ranchers/homeowners. VOLUNTEERS! Our volunteer dept. spent 5 days STRAIGHT holding first a 3,000 acre fire in two days then drove straight across the valley and sealed off the entire flank of a 10,000+ acre fire protecting 2 different communities. Everything burning may just look like sagebrush and weed... but EVERY inch of it was rangeland for cattle that represented the firefighters livlihood. Because of policies written back east... all this land cannot be grazed again for 3 years!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=13606565

 

[firecatguy]

Remember there MN (firecatguy)... most of these problems are started for us on the East coast and mid-west! Interest groups and politicians kissing the "city-slicker" a**es for votes leave "us" to physically deal with the reality! And having been on the firelines, working shoulder-to-shoulder with the local entities who make a living there... it might surprise you just how cherished a single tree or a single acre is when you realize how much has been lost the last 10+ years.

HUH? I talked with my Rep's from Mn about land closures and Yellowstone and some these wilderness bills coming thru AND I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT NO CONGRESSWOMEN\MAN FROM MN WILL BE VOTING TO CLOSE PUBLIC LAND---WE HERE IN MN CHARISH OUR RIGHTS TO HUNT,FISH AND FREEDOMS THAT COME WITH THAT. but if you know something I dont about Midwest politics I sure will write my congress woman\man for you!!!
THANK YOU FOR YOU SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE IN THOSE FIRES...
I'm not sure but are you saying that MN politics are why Cali on fire? we manage our public land here very well!!log it too...have fire breaks all over up north...we are a very conservative state.

 

[donbrown]

On top of that, a congress woman from CA said that the fire is the fault of global warming. I wanted to reach through the TV and slap the stupid out of her! Anyone who has half a brain can understand that with decent forest management you can better contain and reduce the amount of fires as well as INCREASE and IMPROVE animal habitat...thus meeting the animal hugger hippes wants as well.

Earth First! We'll log the other planets later

I watched that to ... but the polls did not support this claim so ... its official

The fire near Los Angeles was Arson.

Officials said forensic evidence at the blaze's point of origin indicated the wildfire -- one of the largest in Southern California's history -- was an act of arson, but they declined to elaborate on the evidence so as not to jeopardize the ongoing investigation.

"We believe that this was caused by someone intending to set a fire," sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said.

An unidentified source close to the investigation tells the Los Angeles Times that evidence along Angeles Crest Highway includes incendiary material.

 

[PowderCrew]

HUH? I talked with my Rep's from Mn about land closures and Yellowstone and some these wilderness bills coming thru AND I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT NO CONGRESSWOMEN\MAN FROM MN WILL BE VOTING TO CLOSE PUBLIC LAND---WE HERE IN MN CHARISH OUR RIGHTS TO HUNT,FISH AND FREEDOMS THAT COME WITH THAT. but if you know something I dont about Midwest politics I sure will write my congress woman\man for you!!!
THANK YOU FOR YOU SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE IN THOSE FIRES...
I'm not sure but are you saying that MN politics are why Cali on fire? we manage our public land here very well!!log it too...have fire breaks all over up north...we are a very conservative state.

Hey Firecat... I think i was misunderstood? The reference to "MN" was just an address to you personally(in the form of a reply to your thread, NOT an argument with what you said). I was in no way refering to the state of MN in particular, but the majority of this expanded wilderness bill (what is it, over 1 million acres now) is being proposed by eastern and mid-west (and California!) senators and congressman. The minority western politicians are scrambling to stop the avalanche. Even on fires (on OUR ground as LOCALS)... our firefighting tactics (as in "let it burn") have been dictated to us by Fire Management Teams coming from the eastern US! That group of 4 engines and 15 or so volunteers HELD the fire at that road, what amounted to about a 10 mile front! Ourselves. In patrolling the line around 3:00am (after 4 straight days of firefighting) we came over a hill to find 4 federal fire engines and 3 handcrews (thats 60+ people!) asleep in a base camp! One reason these fires get so big is paid firefighters now only work a 12hr shift then head to camp for a steak dinner and 8hrs sleep. Its federally mandated. And as far as all these policies... Elko, NV is a frontline to the battle against Wilderness designations/Travel Management Plan. You might find some interesting reading... type: "elko free press forest service" or "elko road closure" on your web browser. Heres a few tidbits...

http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2009/03/19/news/local_news/doc49c29fb9cf78a292188798.txt

http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2009/07/16/news/local_news/doc4a5fb2351adff333269961.txt

http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2009/07/24/news/local_news/doc4a6a358db789a763440759.txt

 

[donbrown]

Member just got off the hill from doing search-and-rescue fire support. I drove to the club, and at this MOMENT the club and Buckhorn campground are in the clear. The fire came up Devil's Canyon, and is consuming Twin Peaks. The camps along the Santa Clara Divide Road (aka Three Points Road) all have survived. The residences at Chilao survived, while the Cal Trans Yard at Chilao lost their resident homes. Mt. Waterman is not in the clear, as fire is present on the southern side. But, USFS has said it does not want it to make the summit. Newcomb's appears to be in the clear. A stand was made there, along with a good dousing of foam retardant. The frustrating thing for me personally is knowing that LA County Fire has birds sitting on the ground which are not being allowed to drop water or retardant in the forest. In the meantime we have lost Hidden Springs, the restaurant and the surrounding structures. We have also lost Vetter Mountain Fire Lookout, which has been there almost 100 years. Obviously, the greatest loss is the two firefighters, whose bodies my team and I assisted to recover. The forest as we all know and love it, will never be the same.