who's riden Timbersled mountainhorse?

[teal_210]

4000ft is as low as you get around here and our normal bike riding is from 4-10k, there is a huge loss when you get up there past 7-8k. I am not saying I am going to follow a bike, more will the bike follow the sled in the tight trees, maybe not even follow but get to the same place without taking the way around route. Even at that there are some places it would kick azz around here because of really dense trees and technical riding, that is more what I would want it for, but since everyone is saying your sled wont follow I want to see that too. Like saying we start here, point A and want to go to point B without taking the back route and see how it goes down.

The the fun of a snow bike is being able to go places that a sled can't, and take creative lines rather than straight up the mountain. So will a snow bike follow a turboed 1000cc sled straight up a hill through the trees in 3' of powder? No. Can it get to the same places that you take a sled? Yes. Can it get there as fast or faster than your sled? Yes

Will a stock 450cc bike feel gutless at 11,000' compared to a turboed 800-1000cc sled? Yep. But it appears that you don't ride a stock sled, so why would you ride a stock bike?

 

[snowhawkaddict]

Details, details.

All he wants is a demo, owning something stock or modified may be more of a commitment then he's willing to handle.

utubevideogoeshere

 

[Rush44]

Word on the street is that a turbo kit is out there from a company called Tyson Racing that takes the new YZ450 (with engine turned backwards) and pumps it up to near 100HP. A turbo kit on dirt would be out of control.... but a turbo on the snow would be godly.

I can't wait to see the first turbo'd Mountain Horses on the snow.

 

[Going West]

Theres already turbo'd snow bikes around. Has been for a while.

 

[Rush44]

Uh oh..... I'm already hearing my savings account getting smaller.

 

[snowhawkaddict]

Shut the front door!

You save? My dog saves his bones.

 

[Matte Murder]

Snowhawkaddict what is more fun to ride a mountain horse or a snowhawk? I went in to my dealer today to look at a new KTM EXC 500 FI mainly for running a Mountain Horse kit on. And a KTM 300 2 stoke for the same thing. No fun to ride alone. They just bagged on the whole idea. Said they tried a snow bike a couple of years ago and it was really hard to ride. Completely talked me out of it. I need a demo ride.

 

[jakey-boy]

I rode these things winter before last when they were testing & about to be released. They were on Allen's sleds which i'm not sure what they were I believe one kx450 and a kx 250. What I can tell you is they were absolutely amazing. We were riding in Alpine at right around 10k feet and had no problems taking those bikes some crazy places.

They wont point straight up a hill and make the speed that a sled will but as far as carving a hill they are incredible. I was with some pretty elite riders including Tony Jenkins, Jay Mentaberry, Tyler Swarm, Phil Yribar and myself and we just stood in amazement as they dropped into the trees on what we would never even dream of touching on a sled. It was tight and seriously steep. A few minutes later they came angling right back up and out of the trees.

I was sold very very impressive. Only thing is I don't ride dirt bikes so it wasn't really for me but they are amazing. We had guys with us that have never ridden a sled only bikes and they were following us everywhere just fine.

 

[Rush44]

Said they tried a snow bike a couple of years ago and it was really hard to ride. Completely talked me out of it. I need a demo ride.

A couple years ago? Sounds like it wasn't even a Mountain Horse. It could have been a 2moto or Explorer kit which are completely different. It's like looking at a new Pro RMK and the sales guy saying "You know, I rode a 340 XLT back in the day and it was a heavy pig of a sled that didn't move through the snow like I wanted. I wouldn't recommend buying this.".

The sales guy was right about one thing.... you aren't going to want to mix the sledders and the Horsemen together. The sleds and the bikes go the same places, they just take a different route to get there. You'll meet your buddies at the bowls in the back, but you won't be pounding at passes and chutes to get there like they will.... you will have taken that gnarly route through the trees way up high that they never even looked at as a possibility.

For me, the riders are going to be the hardest part about owning this kit in the beginning. Eventually more people will own them as more people get to sit in the saddle and realize what they can do. Until then I'm not really going to have an established crew every weekend like I'm used to having. It's OK though.... it's the price I pay for early ownership of the Horse. Funny thing is, I know of about a dozen guys in my area that will have one this year. Maybe I'm not going to have a rider problem after all.

 

[Ricks 32]

I rode two of the MH bikes last winter. When they showed up to ride with us i was a little irked b/c I wasn't going to wait all day for these guys. I had to eat my words. I was blown away at the places and the floatation these things would maintain in the deep snow. We rode from 6k to 9200 feet and they kept up great. They are not hill bangers. But for breaking trail and going places that are tight for a sled, they don't even hesitate.

I also rode another time with a MH and another kit. They had to turn back and go ride alone b/c the other kit was a dog once off the trail. The MH is a great unit.

I rode a KX450 and a RM450. Both worked great. I do have a friend who put the kit on a KX500 (punched to a 550) and he never took it off once summer came. He said he wouldn't put it back on is 450 after riding the 500.

 

[Matte Murder]

Does the particular bike matter as much with the Mtn Horse? Would you go with a 3-5 year old Japanese bike and do just as well as new KTM. 500cc two stroke? 450-500cc 4 stroke? New 300cc KTM 2 stoke?
Thanks,
Wade

 

[bdoe22]

fi

if there was anything that made the most difference, i would say the fuel injection. not that you cant run the kit on the carb bikes, but jetting and such can vary on elevation and the fuel injection bikes seem to run a bit better in the cold (especially starting cold or after the thing has been upside down and backwards on the slope) so to answer your question yes you can run the mh on a older bike and have fun with the brand new rides.

 

[Matte Murder]

bdoe22 what bike did you use?

 

[snowhawkaddict]

M Murder

Find another dealer/salesman who's got some real passion for motorsports and dump the shmucks who still believe DOS is the way to go, it's amazing when you find out how much seat, bar, and peg time these folks have compared to chair and forearm desk time! Get the offroad version XC-W, it will have more juice, dual sport it if you must, but you'll prob never take the kit off once you go a season.

If you are seriously considering a Oneski then putt your $ down towards the next run Mountain Horse is going to make through one of your local dealers on their site, you can call me I have a connection or Travis @ Backcountrysnowbikes.

Here's the truth, other than dicing through the trees or tight manuvering up to 45mph the kits are the way to go. Remember it's snow and power to weight is king.

Untill they are all worn out which they are not, used Snow Hawks can be lightly built or modified to out perform most anything on the snow. They absolutly will keep you occupied and entertained for a long time versus the bored same old COUCH rider!

After riding plenty and all of the kits at Hawk Fest which all you Lurkers should come to next Feb. in Cooke City Mt. I will be owning both Hawks and MH.

 

[snowhawkaddict]

By the way.

Unless you all have been living in a COUCH tunnel, we do have Snow Hawk and Bike kit specific forums in the other sections. Everything there is as or more current then these new topics springing up here/DP and in the regional sections except for all the new 2012 bikes being released.

I do enjoy being able to fly in on these branch other topics though.

Consider Aprilia 450/550 vtwin's, then the Husaberg's, old and new are very strong, especially the new 300 2stroke, yes a KTM in disc, but much stronger than one, even better in my oppinion the Gas Gas 300, I rode both 2011 GG and KTM with Recluse, the KTM had to go one tooth smaller on countershaft to compare but GG still was smoother, so smooth you hardly noticed it was much stronger. You don't have to break the bank to join this sport, make the commitment and sell that boring sled, buy a strong used bike like I just did, a 98 KX500 like new, get the kit you can afford for now and set your sights on the goal.

 

[SSWIM]

I want to see where they will go where a sled can't and in the steep and deep tight trees if they will go where I can stuff my sled.

Wyo, whatever you do, don't bet your MH opponent any money. Unless you want to loose it. An average rider on a MH will embarrass you in the tight steep trees. You will be stuck while they are riding circles around you. I know it's hard to swallow, but take it from one who got "schooled".

Sam

 

[snowhawkaddict]

What he said! ^^^^^^



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igzMm1nOFG8&feature=related

 

[snowhawkaddict]

Breathe in breathe out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0iM_5b1G0Y&feature=related

 

[WyoBoy1000]

I want to see where they will go where a sled can't and in the steep and deep tight trees if they will go where I can stuff my sled.

Wyo, whatever you do, don't bet your MH opponent any money. Unless you want to loose it. An average rider on a MH will embarrass you in the tight steep trees. You will be stuck while they are riding circles around you. I know it's hard to swallow, but take it from one who got "schooled".

Sam

You guys are looking right past what I am saying, I am sure you can stuff it places a sled wont go, but will they make it where a sled will without feeling like you had to take the easy route. Thats what I want to see and I am not saying it wont but I want to see the difference, thats all, compare and see if its worth it for me to throw down the $$$.

 

[SSWIM]

Read some of the previous posts. One of the previous posts reported watching the MH dive into a canyon, that the sledders would not dream of going into, and coming back out. NO, the MH will not straight line climb like a sled. But boondocking in the trees it will make you look silly. It will go ANYWHERE in the trees that you go and more. It will pull lines in the trees that you won't even think about trying.

Sam