Who ordered a 2026?

[christopher]

I can one up that. I made ski dampers from 70 durometer to 100+ durometer, as hard as a hendrickson semi truck rubber block rear suspension, where i had to use a rasp to shave the damper to fit in my ski. My ski would bend, it would not swivel. So, I went from material as soft a food grade urethane drink ice tray to semi truck suspension rigid. And I recorded my sled with a mounted go pro and including getting my riding buddies to record sidehilling.

If a guy is pissn n moaning about the t-motion being too tippy, the first thing I would check is the ski damper condition. When your ski tips up, the vehicle dives towards the side of the tipping ski. The amount sled dives into the snow is proportion to the amount of ski action.
Balance to steer.

• You go take a sidehill with your used worn factory damper. Then go back to the start point.
• Remove the damper so the ski has none. Lets see you try and balance the sled to steer it. Then, return back to the start.
• Install a rigid aftermarket ski damper and go take a 3rd run.
• [i did this, i wish people would take the time to try it out themselves]

Then yer gonna see what a damper does to the action of the ski, helping you control balancing the sled to steer it. Especially after 2/3 of the season when there's a crust on the snow, hah, you'll see what a damper does vs so-called tippy T-motion.

To me the argument about T-motion vs rigid holds the same value as people wanting a lightweight can, but when stuck have 78 pounds of snow in their skidframe. You have 78#'s of snow in your skid and you're worried about 8 pounds of muffler that makes 2 to 7hp less than stock? Apply that "you can't or won't frame a test to prove your point" to the t-motion arguement.


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Let me just say how much I LOVE YOUR DAMPERS on my T-Motion Summit.

 

[christopher]

no one can tell the difference from a 10# weight savings via an aftermarket can on a 400+ pound sled. even less so with all the gear on the tunnel and snow in it the skid.
same with belt drives in terms of felt performance gains and the “rotational mass” taking point.

10lbs is the lower end.
But get that up to 20-25lbs, and there is a WORLD of Difference.
Hoping from my 165 Turbo Summit-X onto an identical 165 NA Summit-X is just freaking DAY & NIGHT difference in front end agility due to loss of the Turbo Weight.
I am always BLOWN away at how much less effort it takes to maneuver with the NA after several hours of riding the Turbo.

 

[Norona]

Flex edge has more detriment, in certain snow, than tmotion. Seen and experienced that. They are a package. My catalyst, more or less, has flex edge on steroids. Super easy. Probably easier than any of them. It's not as precise because of it. Still pretty good but not everybody's cup of tea.

it does not

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

Flex edge has more detriment, in certain snow, than tmotion. Seen and experienced that. They are a package. My catalyst, more or less, has flex edge on steroids. Super easy. Probably easier than any of them. It's not as precise because of it. Still pretty good but not everybody's cup of tea.

it does not

Wow.
Such a convincing rebuttal.

Facts and logic for sure!

 

[jcjc1]

10lbs is the lower end.
But get that up to 20-25lbs, and there is a WORLD of Difference.
Hoping from my 165 Turbo Summit-X onto an identical 165 NA Summit-X is just freaking DAY & NIGHT difference in front end agility due to loss of the Turbo Weight.
I am always BLOWN away at how much less effort it takes to maneuver with the NA after several hours of riding the Turbo.

that’s interesting. you’re the first person I’ve heard say that the difference was that extreme. it seems that would be discussed a lot more in general if the difference was that great. that wasn’t my experience when I switched to a turbo and actually, I didn’t really notice a difference in handling effort, I just had much more tired arms from hanging when gunning it.

 

[High Voltage]

that’s interesting. you’re the first person I’ve heard say that the difference was that extreme. it seems that would be discussed a lot more in general if the difference was that great. that wasn’t my experience when I switched to a turbo and actually, I didn’t really notice a difference in handling effort, I just had much more tired arms from hanging when gunning it.

I take everything Christopher says with a grain of salt. You know he’s a pirate, and pirates drink a lot of rum.

 

[jcjc1]

I take everything Christopher says with a grain of salt. You know he’s a pirate, and pirates drink a lot of rum.

that explains it!
maybe also explains the constant bold and colored font???

 

[turboless terry]

it does not

Years ago I turned around on a super steep slope in the spring. Nobody played on this hill because of this and trees down below. I was on a Polaris pro and my buddy was on a skidoo with flex edge and tmotion. When I went off I thought, I'm an idiot, because snow was harder than I thought and I'm going to hit a tree. I turned the pro around no problem. I sat there, with popcorn, and watched Davey. When he went to turn around, his sled just swapped ends and he got lucky he didn't yard sale it. I could have done it again but I guarantee he wouldn't have. So, YES IT DOES. Simple math. Solid edge vs. Folded edge. Most people aren't playing on that so it will help them more than it hurts. There are people that don't want that. There is a reason they made the expert.

 

[turboless terry]

flex edge has more detriment... What does that mean? Does the detriment issue have to do with the input to put a sled on its edge? Does it have to do with an input of balancing the sled or maintaining the sled on its side? Does it have to do with steering inputs to the sled while on its side? What certain snow is the detriment(harm)?

Swapping out when on edge compared to a solid rod track. It isn't all the time and is more snow specific and how steep.
Flex edge and tmotion aren't a bad thing. It's like anything else. There's a trade off. Nothing perfect for all conditions. Great in one and ok in another.

 

[Driver]

Ordered an Summit X 154" Turbo R. Might invest the twinlink steering to it. Hoping the new rear suspension adds some playfulness to it.

 

[caper11]

that’s interesting. you’re the first person I’ve heard say that the difference was that extreme. it seems that would be discussed a lot more in general if the difference was that great. that wasn’t my experience when I switched to a turbo and actually, I didn’t really notice a difference in handling effort, I just had much more tired arms from hanging when gunning it.

Huh? Removing a full jerry can off the sled makes a big difference in how the sled handles, can that weight loss be felt?, absolutely it can. Can the weight difference between a turbo and a NA be felt?, yes it can. It was very evident on our last trip, we had a new NA 165 with us, the ligher weight was noticed, and it had tmotion so it was easier to ride because of the tmotion and the softer shock valving.

The tmotion in the x combined with the coil over is probably going to be welcomed to some, especially on long trail rides in, I guess we will see if a Jerry can and a tunnel bag will take the harshness out of the coil over suspension.

 

[jcjc1]

Huh? Removing a full jerry can off the sled makes a big difference in how the sled handles, can that weight loss be felt?, absolutely it can. Can the weight difference between a turbo and a NA be felt?, yes it can. It was very evident on our last trip, we had a new NA 165 with us, the ligher weight was noticed, and it had tmotion so it was easier to ride because of the tmotion and the softer shock valving.

The tmotion in the x combined with the coil over is probably going to be welcomed to some, especially on long trail rides in, I guess we will see if a Jerry can and a tunnel bag will take the harshness out of the coil over suspension.

i didn't say it's not noticed but i think saying it is a night and day or a world of difference is overstating it . i didn't notice that and neither did a riding buddy who's also on a turbo 165 and we both came from n/a's.

 

[Dynamo^Joe]

I had to take my gear off to get this som-beotch out. Pic dont do justice of angle of sled and that hole up to my armpits. I just could not get that sucker out myself, too steep to climb and snow too deep to shovel to flip sled and trees right beside the sled, too big to cut.
Removed 19 pound toolbox n shovel n food, 31 pounds gas, 2 pound rattler.
Holy, that sled is hauling about 320 pounds around of me and gear. This is why I want a 165, that 8 inches of track turning at 405 rpm full throttle mita been enough leverage to not get in that 40 min stuck.
Buddy used rattler to tug me out and mister, the sno-bungee is amazin.

When we tear up an area, i'll drop the gear off except the rattler and shovel.
But when we're making a big loop, have to take everything with you.
Removing all that gear does make it waAAay easier in our wet/heavy/mashed tater snow to get out of a good stuck.

 

[caper11]

i didn't say it's not noticed but i think saying it is a night and day or a world of difference is overstating it . i didn't notice that and neither did a riding buddy who's also on a turbo 165 and we both came from n/a's.

What Christopher mentioned is actually accurate, you mentioned you and your buddy came from a NA, so did I. We got used to the weight of the turbo, I have been on a turbo since the 2021 got released. Ride a NA for a half day, then jump on a turbo for the rest, especially in lower snow conditions, same idea as removing weight off the tunnel, it is noticeable difference.
To a point, that I am actually considering a NA 154 for a second sled but was disappointed when a bigger bore NA wasn’t released.Anyway, if I do it, it will definitely be an expert. We don’t get the deep snow days we used to, and a 200hp turbo, or even a stock turbo is cheating in lower snow conditions.

 

[jcjc1]

What Christopher mentioned is actually accurate, you mentioned you and your buddy came from a NA, so did I. We got used to the weight of the turbo, I have been on a turbo since the 2021 got released. Ride a NA for a half day, then jump on a turbo for the rest, especially in lower snow conditions, same idea as removing weight off the tunnel, it is noticeable difference.
To a point, that I am actually considering a NA 154 for a second sled, if I do it, it will definitely be an expert. We don’t get the deep snow days we used to, and a 200hp turbo, or even a stock turbo is cheating in lower snow conditions.

we'll have to agree to disagree. i can't tell a difference when i burn 3 gallons of gas which is roughly 20 lbs, can you?
again, not saying there's no difference but next time you ride leave your sled 3 gallons shy and ride it, then put 3 gallons in and see if there's a night and day change.

 

[caper11]

we'll have to agree to disagree. i can't tell a difference when i burn 3 gallons of gas which is roughly 20 lbs, can you?

Yes, I used to race sleds.
There is a big benefit to having less fuel in the tank.
In a mountain sled, when burning fuel the handling characteristics of the sled changes over a period of time, so its not noticed as much like dropping spare fuel at a gas drop all at once. We normally ride until we can put our spare fuel in then ditch the empty can.

The weight reduction Doo put the 2026’s on is very impressive, If I seen the weights correctly doo now has the lightest RTR sled now.

 

[jcjc1]

happy to see the weight reduction and would love to try a ‘26 year model.
almost pulled the trigger on a snowcheck but i keep thinking the G6 is right around the corner.

 

[Blu Du]

well my dealer snowchecked 6 sleds and 2 of them were mine. he said the district leader was at 11. maybe we will have a chance to get rid of our used sleds now

 

[NHRoadking]

happy to see the weight reduction and would love to try a ‘26 year model.
almost pulled the trigger on a snowcheck but i keep thinking the G6 is right around

well my dealer snowchecked 6 sleds and 2 of them were mine. he said the district leader was at 11. maybe we will have a chance to get rid of our used sleds now

More snow checks than Cat at least.

 

[turboless terry]

Pulled the trigger on a Summit Expert turbo 165” . I can decide in the Fall if I want the 4 year warranty or get 2K more in trade in bonus cash.
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I was told I had to choose now. Also, if I didn't choose 4 year, it reverted to a 1 year. Is that what they told you? If I could get 2 year, I would take 2k trade in. If I got sleds sold, I would take 4 year. This is like talking to a plumber on in floor heat run footage. Everyone has a different answer.