Who ordered a 2026?

[NHRoadking]

You have to remember 90% of customers ride 3 times a month 1000km or miles per year, you think those guys want to change belt drives....they want pull and go, the 1% can spend their money and have all the bells and whistles they need to make a snowmobile go.....

and it has always been that way, Polaris bought the tech, from buying trail tech, so they did not allow brp to use their frequency and arctic cat/garmin those geniuses chose a frequency that works in the US but in Canada that frequency is used for something else so it cant work in canada, anyone pumpin their fist at brp for the buddy tracking working with others is a moron, they should turn to polaris

Dave: I posted two comments from Doo engineers talking about belt drives and buddy tracking. Nothing critical, just informational. And you call people morons?

I did not advocate for belt drives. However, objectively speaking they do have some advantages like less weight and rotating mass.

As for buddy tracking, Doo is do some criticism. They introduced an expensive large gauge that was neutered from the start with no built in GPS or buddy tracking. It took three years to get both, which prior owners now have to pay for with add ons.

As for cross-brand buddy tracking it just makes sense to try and make it universal. I hope Doo and Poo try to do that.

Last, I love the changes Doo made to the 2026s and ordered one. Especially since Doo said they will honor the spring order price regardless of tariffs.

 

[turboless terry]

Dave: I posted two comments from Doo engineers talking about belt drives and buddy tracking. Nothing critical, just informational. And you call people morons?

I did not advocate for belt drives. However, objectively speaking they do have some advantages like less weight and rotating mass.

As for buddy tracking, Doo is do some criticism. They introduced an expensive large gauge that was neutered from the start with no built in GPS or buddy tracking. It took three years to get both, which prior owners now have to pay for with add ons.

As for cross-brand buddy tracking it

Dave: I posted two comments from Doo engineers talking about belt drives and buddy tracking. Nothing critical, just informational. And you call people morons?

I did not advocate for belt drives. However, objectively speaking they do have some advantages like less weight and rotating mass.

As for buddy tracking, Doo is do some criticism. They introduced an expensive large gauge that was neutered from the start with no built in GPS or buddy tracking. It took three years to get both, which prior owners now have to pay for with add ons.

As for cross-brand buddy tracking it just makes sense to try and make it universal. I hope Doo and Poo try to do that.

Last, I love the changes Doo made to the 2026s and ordered one. Especially since Doo said they will honor the spring order price regardless of tariffs.

That was a really makes sense to try and make it universal. I hope Doo and Poo try to do that.

That was really moronic to call people morons but hey I suppose you get tired of people. Weird sales method

 

[caper11]

Dave: I posted two comments from Doo engineers talking about belt drives and buddy tracking. Nothing critical, just informational. And you call people morons?

I did not advocate for belt drives. However, objectively speaking they do have some advantages like less weight and rotating mass.

As for buddy tracking, Doo is do some criticism. They introduced an expensive large gauge that was neutered from the start with no built in GPS or buddy tracking. It took three years to get both, which prior owners now have to pay for with add ons.

As for cross-brand buddy tracking it just makes sense to try and make it universal. I hope Doo and Poo try to do that.

Last, I love the changes Doo made to the 2026s and ordered one. Especially since Doo said they will honor the spring order price regardless of tariffs.

Up until BRP released buddy tracking there was crickets from people pounding on the table for universal buddy tracking and no pressure put on Polaris or the chatter on the Polaris forums saying let doo have buddy tracking.
Now it’s a common complaint, and its not as easy as everyone thinks, especially with a Canadian manufacturer and a US manufacturer. There are FCC and CRTC radio rules to follow.
I am baffled as well as to why individuals keep asking this question when doo hasn’t even had one year on the buddy tracking yet. A skidoo is not a Polaris nor an Arctic Cat.

 

[jcjc1]

i think they're asking because the average person has no idea what the ftc/ctc is or does but do see an amazing feature that polaris has had for awhile and doo doesn't.

 

[Norona]

i have a couple of experts turbos and two NA 850 with t motion. Honestly don't notice anything when riding either one. They all work good.

well when your on your expert your a real rider and when you are on the t-motion you suck , ha ha, or something like that!! Ha Ha!

 

[Norona]

Up until BRP released buddy tracking there was crickets from people pounding on the table for universal buddy tracking and no pressure put on Polaris or the chatter on the Polaris forums saying let doo have buddy tracking.
Now it’s a common complaint, and its not as easy as everyone thinks, especially with a Canadian manufacturer and a US manufacturer. There are FCC and CRTC radio rules to follow.
I am baffled as well as to why individuals keep asking this question when doo hasn’t even had one year on the buddy tracking yet. A skidoo is not a Polaris nor an Arctic Cat.

exactly and they don't realize polaris did not create this they bought it(trail tech) and once you own a frequency no one can use it.....

 

[Dynamo^Joe]

It just became a talking point when some guy said you suck if you need it, so of course all sledders say they don't need it and then blame everything on it. Funny thing is Chris Brandt calls it the wonky rear end, but he uses c3 carbon skid and we have the same at ckmp and next time you see a c3 carbon skid without the track flex it, it moves more than t-motion. But I though it was stiff?! Even the owner says it is not rigid or stiff as it would break. Awesome skid though! I love how guys say they are awesome sledders in one breath then at the same time say they cant handle t-motion that moves 2 degrees either side and does not move(is rigid ) about 15 mph, due to centrifugal force of the track moving. Or if you don't believe me go to the local tire shop and have them take a car wheel moving at 50 mph off the machine and place in your fingers and try to make it wobble.

I can one up that. I made ski dampers from 70 durometer to 100+ durometer, as hard as a hendrickson semi truck rubber block rear suspension, where i had to use a rasp to shave the damper to fit in my ski. My ski would bend, it would not swivel. So, I went from material as soft a food grade urethane drink ice tray to semi truck suspension rigid. And I recorded my sled with a mounted go pro and including getting my riding buddies to record sidehilling.

If a guy is pissn n moaning about the t-motion being too tippy, the first thing I would check is the ski damper condition. When your ski tips up, the vehicle dives towards the side of the tipping ski. The amount sled dives into the snow is proportion to the amount of ski action.
Balance to steer.

• You go take a sidehill with your used worn factory damper. Then go back to the start point.
• Remove the damper so the ski has none. Lets see you try and balance the sled to steer it. Then, return back to the start.
• Install a rigid aftermarket ski damper and go take a 3rd run.
• [i did this, i wish people would take the time to try it out themselves]

Then yer gonna see what a damper does to the action of the ski, helping you control balancing the sled to steer it. Especially after 2/3 of the season when there's a crust on the snow, hah, you'll see what a damper does vs so-called tippy T-motion.

To me the argument about T-motion vs rigid holds the same value as people wanting a lightweight can, but when stuck have 78 pounds of snow in their skidframe. You have 78#'s of snow in your skid and you're worried about 8 pounds of muffler that makes 2 to 7hp less than stock? Apply that "you can't or won't frame a test to prove your point" to the t-motion arguement.

 

[jcjc1]

no one can tell the difference from a 10# weight savings via an aftermarket can on a 400+ pound sled. even less so with all the gear on the tunnel and snow in it the skid.
same with belt drives in terms of felt performance gains and the “rotational mass” taking point.

 

[MTsled3]

Man we have some grumpy geese in here. Chadly would have fun with this one, where is he when you need him to liven things up a bit?

 

[High Voltage]

Does anyone port their track anymore?

 

[Seedie_Man]

Does anyone port their track anymore?

I just port my can and pipe, way better!

 

[Norona]

I can one up that. I made ski dampers from 70 durometer to 100+ durometer, as hard as a hendrickson semi truck rubber block rear suspension, where i had to use a rasp to shave the damper to fit in my ski. My ski would bend, it would not swivel. So, I went from material as soft a food grade urethane drink ice tray to semi truck suspension rigid. And I recorded my sled with a mounted go pro and including getting my riding buddies to record sidehilling.

If a guy is pissn n moaning about the t-motion being too tippy, the first thing I would check is the ski damper condition. When your ski tips up, the vehicle dives towards the side of the tipping ski. The amount sled dives into the snow is proportion to the amount of ski action.
Balance to steer.

• You go take a sidehill with your used worn factory damper. Then go back to the start point.
• Remove the damper so the ski has none. Lets see you try and balance the sled to steer it. Then, return back to the start.
• Install a rigid aftermarket ski damper and go take a 3rd run.
• [i did this, i wish people would take the time to try it out themselves]

Then yer gonna see what a damper does to the action of the ski, helping you control balancing the sled to steer it. Especially after 2/3 of the season when there's a crust on the snow, hah, you'll see what a damper does vs so-called tippy T-motion.

To me the argument about T-motion vs rigid holds the same value as people wanting a lightweight can, but when stuck have 78 pounds of snow in their skidframe. You have 78#'s of snow in your skid and you're worried about 8 pounds of muffler that makes 2 to 7hp less than stock? Apply that "you can't or won't frame a test to prove your point" to the t-motion arguement.


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so well said!
A guy came into our booth then preceded to tell me how ****ty his 23 expert is, that he has a bog, I ask him some stuff and turn him over to 007 my buddy who works with engineering and he asks if it is stock, he says yes and proceeds then to list all the things he had changed, again he goes on then when asked he says more stuff he has made better that is not stock, basically the moral is guys add all this stuff without knowing how they can change things and after 10 things they have no idea or control to find it, the machine must go completely back to stock then if issue is still there then find it and then they can add stuff, you can see them not wanting to do that because of the hassle....but so many issues are rider caused, but they will never admit it. I know the testers at ski doo, its a job you don't want, it aint fun and a ton of work, your not riding what you think you would be riding.
thanks for you awesome input joe

 

[turboless terry]

Flex edge has more detriment, in certain snow, than tmotion. Seen and experienced that. They are a package. My catalyst, more or less, has flex edge on steroids. Super easy. Probably easier than any of them. It's not as precise because of it. Still pretty good but not everybody's cup of tea.

 

[NHRoadking]

no one can tell the difference from a 10# weight savings via an aftermarket can on a 400+ pound sled. even less so with all the gear on the tunnel and snow in it the skid.
same with belt drives in terms of felt performance gains and the “rotational mass” taking point.

Doo, their ambassadors, and their engineers think the "rotational mass talking point" is a big deal, i.e., those pesky laws of physics and motion. That's why they've made much of the 2 pound reduction on the new 154 track.

 

[jcjc1]

Doo, their ambassadors, and their engineers think the "rotational mass talking point" is a big deal, i.e., those pesky laws of physics and motion. That's why they've made much of the 2 pound reduction on the new 154 track.

true and that’s great. im referring to spending the grand or so to replace a factory chain drive with a BD for a performance increase that’s actually noticeable. the physics is happening, you just can’t tell.

 

[High Voltage]

Doo, their ambassadors, and their engineers think the "rotational mass talking point" is a big deal, i.e., those pesky laws of physics and motion. That's why they've made much of the 2 pound reduction on the new 154 track.

I’m amazed when I get back to the truck, how much snow is still in the skid. That track could use a little porting to let the snow out. Plus less rotating mass!

 

[caper11]

Doo, their ambassadors, and their engineers think the "rotational mass talking point" is a big deal, i.e., those pesky laws of physics and motion. That's why they've made much of the 2 pound reduction on the new 154 track.

Two pounds of reduction off a 55lb larger diameter rotational mass is much different than a .5 lb reduction off a 5lb of a much smaller reduction.

 

[caper11]

I’m amazed when I get back to the truck, how much snow is still in the skid. That track could use a little porting to let the snow out. Plus less rotating mass!

That was done back on the 08 and 09 xp and didn’t last long.

 

[sledderbill]

shredder ds 154 turbo in ron burgundy ordered straight from Finland today.