Which Turbo?

[ABMax24]

Hi Guys, First post here.

So I have been contemplating adding a turbo kit to my sled before winter begins and would like some opinions. I have a 2013 Pro RMK 800 163" with 1250kms, with good compression on both cylinders (115 psi and within ~2psi of each other).

I have been looking at both the Boost-It non-intercooled kit as well as a BD non-intercooled kit. I have narrowed it down to these two kits as they seem to have good reviews compared to other brands. I also plan to install the kit myself, that way it will be easier to troubleshoot the system if something goes wrong as I will know how everything goes together.

So to the Questions:

Is an Intercooler necessary? I plan to run 6-8psi of boost at 2-7000ft elevation, but I rarely hill climb I prefer to play in the meadows so I'm assuming without an intercooler the turbo lag should drop significantly, as well I shouldn't WOT for very long at a time.

Is there a reason to get a different turbo than the GTX2863? As this is what the Boost-It kit comes with, or is this the ideal balance?

How difficult is it to modify tuning with either box if necessary? And is there a big difference as to which runs better/more consistently?

I've also been considering adding a PAR 12:1 turbo head, are they worth it?

What fuel is everyone running with these kits? 50/50 prem/av?

That concludes my questions, sorry for being so long winded. If anyone has any pictures of their Boost-It setup I would love to see.

Thanks

 

[tdorval]

I'm pretty sure boost it only sells their kits installed, or at least they did it that way for a while. Just something to look into.

 

[lorne1176]

If you go Boost it you will have the turbo installed by them, they only sell kits installed at their shop. I know of one customer install and the Boost it guys said never again.

 

[ABMax24]

My understanding is this year the kits can be shipped for user install.

Either way I would like to know everyones opinion on the two kits.

 

[philsummers21]

I've never ran the boost-it turbo kit but i used to have the boost-it box on my apex. I currently have a BD turbo on my pro. Was happy with boost-it and and my bd kit. Sounds like your doing well on your research. Id say either kit will make you happy. Go for which one is closer and better support. Neil is hard to beat in that department. As far as tuning. The boost-it box is extremely easy. Boondocker box isnt hard either but boos-it box my 11 year old could tune im sure. One thing i really like about the BD box is there EBC.

 

[Jimb]

Try the search function.

 

[silberpro]

I have a Boost-it box on my Silber kit
Works great, easy to adjust. Once it is set up, there is really no adjusting to be done.
The Boost-it box for this season is altitude adjusting. Got a email from Boost-it last week saying, send us your box and we will do the update. For free!!!!
Cant beat that.

From what I have seen, you get a Boost-it turbo package and Neil will make sure you are 100 percent happy
And I have personally seen his sled go. Its an awesome machine.
If you live in Alberta, there is no decision
Just my 2cents

 

[Iceman56]

You can't go wrong with either IMO... Not sure Neil will send any kits out without being installed in his shop though. Which is why you don't here of much trouble with his kits. IMO 90% of the trouble people have are install or tuning error and not the kit itself. If I lived where you do I would take my sled to Neil and have it done right.

That being said, BD makes a great kit and has tons of options to choose from, are you on any kinda budget? If your not I would definitely do the Tial exhaust/external gate setup if you go BD.

As for the intercooler and turbo, I talked to Jared Sessions from BD, about both, on Saturday at Haydays. I asked him the same question about if the intercooled setup spooled slower and he told me he actually thinks the intercooled setup spool faster. He said the two strokes when your off boost need that big "gulp" of air when you wack the throttle and the throttle bodies open they need air to suck in. If there is not enough volume of air in the airbox/intercooler response will be slower.

As for the turbo he said if your consistently over 8,000' elevation they like the smaller GTX2860 for faster spool. If your below 8,000' the GTX2863 works just fine.

Hope this helps, if you go with BD I would at least go with the air to air intercooler, its only $500 more. They also have a water to air this year that is supposedly 30% cooler charge temps but 8 pounds heavier then the air to air.

 

[E-Zmoke 4:20]

Hi Guys, First post here.

So I have been contemplating adding a turbo kit to my sled before winter begins and would like some opinions. I have a 2013 Pro RMK 800 163" with 1250kms, with good compression on both cylinders (115 psi and within ~2psi of each other).

I have been looking at both the Boost-It non-intercooled kit as well as a BD non-intercooled kit. I have narrowed it down to these two kits as they seem to have good reviews compared to other brands. I also plan to install the kit myself, that way it will be easier to troubleshoot the system if something goes wrong as I will know how everything goes together.

So to the Questions:

Is an Intercooler necessary? I plan to run 6-8psi of boost at 2-7000ft elevation, but I rarely hill climb I prefer to play in the meadows so I'm assuming without an intercooler the turbo lag should drop significantly, as well I shouldn't WOT for very long at a time.

Is there a reason to get a different turbo than the GTX2863? As this is what the Boost-It kit comes with, or is this the ideal balance?

How difficult is it to modify tuning with either box if necessary? And is there a big difference as to which runs better/more consistently?

I've also been considering adding a PAR 12:1 turbo head, are they worth it?

What fuel is everyone running with these kits? 50/50 prem/av?

That concludes my questions, sorry for being so long winded. If anyone has any pictures of their Boost-It setup I would love to see.

Thanks

I pulled the trigger on the HO Boost It Turbo kit last winter, much like you I did a LOT of research, and had it narrowed down to the same two kits. I am very happy with the choice I made. I would give Neil a call if you have not already and talk with him, he is very good to talk to and takes the time to explain things.
I can't say enough about the customer service I have received in the last year.

I would HIGHLY reccomend bringing your sled to them to have the kit installed if you go with their kit. I do believe they are shipping a small percentage of kits out this year but as stated above a turbo kit is only as good as the install and they do hands down top notch quality work. Their is so much involved to these kits and once installed, they will take the time to show you what is what and what they all installed and why. Their really is no need to even attempt to install it of you live in Alberta because I garuntee you the small price they charge to install it is worth it's price in gold compared to if you try and install this kit yourself.

Yes the intercooler is absolutely nessisary and I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure both their low boost kits and HO kits both come with an intercooler, don't be fooled by a air to air system, it doesn't even compare to what an intercooler does for charge temps and responsiveness. The on off throttle response that I have is unbelievable and is a combination of many things but I would HIGHLY reccomend a intercooler with ANY turbo kit.

The 2863 GTX is a great turbo and Boost It did a lot of testing on what turbo worked best in many different applications and senarios. With that being said I'm sure if a guy really wanted a 2860 I'm sure it could be installed. Again I would tal to Neil on this as they tested numerous different turbos and from my understanding the 2863 out performed the others consistently in almost every situation.

The XIC fuel controller is one of the easiest things to make changes on, it's virtually up or down on the desired setting. I won't even bother comparing it to a Boondocker box. IMO their is no comparison, and with this years upgrades you don't even need to adjust your boost to altitude as it will self adjust as you increase in altitude. No rider input needed.

I run the PAR head on my setup with the 12.0.1 domes and again super happy with the results. Another question to quiz Neil on as he would better be able to explain why then I

I started out running 75%AV to 25%Non Eth Pump, and then cut it down to 50/50, never once experienced any DET or any fuel related issues. Some guys were running C12 and pump 50/50

I will try and upload some pics of my Boost It Pro later today but for now here is a grat thread that I think you should take the time to read:

http://www.snowandmud.com/showthread.php?t=82375

Thanks, and good luck with your choice, IMO both kits are super reliable, and one really can't go wrong with either setup.

 

[A.L]

I'm pretty sure he will sell kits with out installing them. our group bought 3 after a short test drive last spring. He will be doing the install on mine. The other two kits we will be installing them. It sounded like he is trying to put together a installation video. Don't quote me on the vid.


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[WesG]

My 2cents

Forget about performance differances between the kits and say they work equally well. Neils service is simply fantastic. He has good stock on parts, lots of tuning and complete sled setup info, gets back to you quickly, and is pleasant to deal with. No BS, no excuses. For western canada boost-it is a great asset in the turbo game.

 

[ABMax24]

Thanks guys I think that makes up my mind, now just to convince myelf I can part with the money. I really don't have a budget just trying to find the best kit for my riding. I also see the low boost Boost-It kit doesn't come with gauges like the HO, and since I would probably want these this makes the price a little closer.

Does the HO kit delete the headlight? As I do some dusk/night riding so this would change things.

If anyone has some pictures they would be willing to share that would be great. In particular the exhaust area as I have heard the BD's kits get the quickdrive too hot, so I would like to see how different Boost-It's is.

Thanks Again.

 

[A.L]

Dropped the sled of at boost-it this evening. If a person wants gauges on low boost kit they will put them on. You can get the HO kit without the head light delete. Thats what I'm getting since i ride a few place that it is completely dark when we get back to the truck 30 mile ride in. They have not shipped any HO kits out for customer install but my groups kits will be the first. Sounded like they are going to try make a HO kit install video. Give Neil a call or email he always replies and answered all the questions I had.


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[Jimb]

From what I saw and experienced last year both the ho boost-it and boondockers kit with 2863/tial with air to air intercooled were both very similar in performance there were some minor differences in the sleds and riders but for hill climbing both went anywhere and fast, in the trees on/off throttle no difference. We only rode as a group for one day though. Both setups ran clean no hesitation burbles etc. BD guys said putting the intake out through the hood was a plus from under the hood. This year you can go water intercooled with bd too, not sure I like the idea of having another cooler water pump etc based on the performance of the bd kits last year.

 

[E-Zmoke 4:20]

I haven't experienced any issues with my quick drive belt from the exhaust. I put on a little over 1000 miles last year, and my original belt is mint. Hoping to get another 1000 miles out of it. As for the headlight delete. Yes you can leave your headlight in if you prefer.

 

[ABMax24]

I haven't experienced any issues with my quick drive belt from the exhaust. I put on a little over 1000 miles last year, and my original belt is mint. Hoping to get another 1000 miles out of it. As for the headlight delete. Yes you can leave your headlight in if you prefer.

Thanks, thats exactly the picture I was looking for, and it looks like it will keep heat off the belt better than the BD.