Which Kit for M8?--OVS Aerocharger or Tial Garrett

[knifedge]

---Which Turbo kit would you guys recommend for the M8 and M1000. The OVS Aerocharger or the Garrett with the Tial wastegate? The Aerocharger is a lighter and more simplistic setup, which I like, but which offers best drivability and performance on pump gas and or race gas?

 

[twsandrew]

There is only one answer. You are comparing the oldest least power making technology to the newest most power making. I don't know anyone with an Aero who was happy long term. If you buy an Aero and take one ride on an auto turbo will cost you big upgrade dollars because the power difference is so big. Do the tial and you will do it right the first time

 

[Vertical-Extreme]

yep no brainer, garrett all the way

 

[Jammmin]

Garrett / Tial is the only way to go.

Unless you have a lot of money, a personal pit crew and enless amounts of snow.

 

[knifedge]

http://ogdenvalleysports.com/m8_aero_40.html

OVS sells a Aero kit for the M8 so how bad can the Aero be? It looks like a pretty clean install. Just trying to figure out the best way to go. On PG it should do just as well as a Garrett right?

 

[Vertical-Extreme]

its not that the aero is bad persay, it is just the tial garrett is so much better it is silly

 

[knifedge]

Based on what I've read in this forum, the Tial Garrett puts out more power with less boost and very little lag compared to the standard Garrett setup. I wonder why other kits do not offer the Tial Garrett setup? Seems like the best way to go if using a Garrett.

 

[KAWGRN]

Iv had 6 aeros 2-53s and 4- 66s and now i RUN a Garrett 2871 Guess Why????

 

[SnowDevil]

Since I converted my Garret to a tial setup I am diggin it!!! most days I dont even touch the control box even with changes in elevation the turbo just takes care of business. And the power is killer right out of the start, I wouldnt waste the money on the aero they all seem to have some problems.

 

[Mcx Nytro]

Since I converted my Garret to a tial setup I am diggin it!!! most days I dont even touch the control box even with changes in elevation the turbo just takes care of business. And the power is killer right out of the start, I wouldnt waste the money on the aero they all seem to have some problems.

So what is the tial setup that makes so much difference???used to 4 stroke turbos, but looking for a 2 stroke for light wieght...Thanks for any input.....Terry

 

[snowmanx]

So what is the tial setup that makes so much difference???used to 4 stroke turbos, but looking for a 2 stroke for light wieght...Thanks for any input.....Terry

Ditto.

 

[sparkey 800]

I have a tial on my 800 and found the change to be great. the exhaust side is Stainless steal with a external wastgate. The ss in much lighter (i will get a weight next time I do a new install.) I have found some changes to make great power a lower boost (10 LBS) on 91 oct. This is not rocket science but it is a lot easeyer to get a good set up from the shops that run what they sell. And not just sell last years model.

good luck

go boost or go home

 

[badass1000]

the 2871 with tial turbine houseing on my xp weighs 10lbs 2oz.

 

[SnowDevil]

what changes is the exhaust housing on the turbo and the waste gate is removed and put outside the housing. With it being outside it doesnt create turbulance which effects the turbo. There are other posts on here explaining it in more detail

 

[knifedge]

http://www.tialsport.com/

Tial webste

 

[1badcowboy]

go with garret the areo turbos are not as good plus only one guy that rebuilds them. yes they have an exchane program but i her that you can be waiting for quite a while to get a replacement. so my .2 garret all the way

 

[Variable]

go with garret the areo turbos are not as good plus only one guy that rebuilds them. yes they have an exchane program but i her that you can be waiting for quite a while to get a replacement. so my .2 garret all the way

The "only one guy rebuilding Aerochargers" is actually very outdated and in fact it hasn't been that way for years. But rumors and complaints spread faster than facts. Typical turnaround time is a week and that's only if you broke your turbo. Why does it seem that quite a few people have problems with our turbos? Because people typically do one or more of the following:

-turn up the boost past it's recommended limits
-use the wrong sized Aerocharger for their application
-send something through the turbine (like a piece of MIG wire from welding a flange onto the exhaust, quality turbo installations go a long way)

Garrett makes a great turbo but a properly sized Aerocharger will always out-spool any comparable Garrett/wastegate combo. The reason you more commonly hear from people that have problems with our turbos is because all the people that love them are always out riding. There will always be one fact: for every failed Aerocharger there are a hundred failed Garretts. If our turbos were so fail-prone as people make them out to be then why have we had contracts with the US Military over the past few years?

Not trying to tell any of you guys that you are wrong about your setups, just spreading some truth about our turbos.

 

[knifedge]

Could you put Tial components(not turbo housing) with an Aerocharger and get an even better setup or do the variable vanes basically accomplish the same thing as far as exhaust tuning?

 

[Variable]

There is no need for a wastegate with a variable-vane turbo. This is one of the advantages as there is less fabrication work involved and less components. There also is no need for oil lines or pumps with these turbos either obviously. Less components and less weight.

 

[zebiraross]

The "only one guy rebuilding Aerochargers" is actually very outdated and in fact it hasn't been that way for years. But rumors and complaints spread faster than facts. Typical turnaround time is a week and that's only if you broke your turbo. Why does it seem that quite a few people have problems with our turbos? Because people typically do one or more of the following:

-turn up the boost past it's recommended limits
-use the wrong sized Aerocharger for their application
-send something through the turbine (like a piece of MIG wire from welding a flange onto the exhaust, quality turbo installations go a long way)

Garrett makes a great turbo but a properly sized Aerocharger will always out-spool any comparable Garrett/wastegate combo. The reason you more commonly hear from people that have problems with our turbos is because all the people that love them are always out riding. There will always be one fact: for every failed Aerocharger there are a hundred failed Garretts. If our turbos were so fail-prone as people make them out to be then why have we had contracts with the US Military over the past few years?

Not trying to tell any of you guys that you are wrong about your setups, just spreading some truth about our turbos.

Saying that when having a similar sized aerocharger and a similar sized Garrett that the aerocharger will always spool quicker is bs. And to say that it spools quicker is pure speculation on your part. I've had Aerochargers, Garretts, Mitsubishi's, and if all things are set up "equal" the aerocharger is no quicker then the above mentioned similar sized turbo's. If you don't believe me you can meet up with us and ride a few sleds that have gt3071 or larger turbo's and you will see that they will spool just as fast as an Aerocharger.