Just curious if i am choosing the right one? right now i am sitting on a 09 M10 but it sure seems like there are alot of posts that are telling me that i can make a sled out of it, so if that is true does it not work at all on its own out of box crate setup? or are there things to just REALLY make it haul the mail? I love to boondock and i just dont want to find myself down in the sh!t on this first trip and not being able to get my fat a$$ back out again, if this is the case maybe i should just stick to my King Cat. maybe i am just reading into this to much. shat are your thoughts..... thanks
which is better 09 M10 le sp 162/ 10 HCR 153
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I prefer the 153 over the 162 for boondocking myself- but if you are big guy you might need that 162. I ride a buddy's 08 M10 162 SP when we swap just for kicks and I get around just fine, Im 165lbs soaking wet. I would ride the 09' M10 not the king cat. If the stock M10 is up to its potential (running properly) it should be a fine sled. I hear the y pipe and can replacement really wakes them up. That PC 162 track is sweet.
this is good to know for a moment or two i was starting to get the feeling that i had messed up.... I appreciate both the responses
I held on to my king cat for 4 years and was scared to get rid of it. Loved the power out of the 900 and how it rode. This year I finally upgraded to the m1000 153 sno pro and would honestly never go back to the king cat. It is so much easier to boondock on and throw around all day. With a few upgrades like the y pipe and a good clutch setup it will pull as hard as the kingcat all day. As far as a m1000 or an Hcr I would probably go with the shorter Hcr just because of my riding style. As stated above I dont think you can go wrong with either!!
i rode the m10 about a mile in the field last night before dark, is it really heavy up front or are the skis not the best. it floated nice down the choppy drifts in the field it was when i was turning around that it felt like it was a mile long and i was turning it with toothpicks? it might just have been the first ride and some over thinking..
Mine is a 153 and I have rode the 162 and they do feel heavier up front than mine. You wouldnt think that a few inches on the ground would make a whole lot of difference but it is noticable. My preference is the 153 but I am only 180lbs with all my gear on lol so if you are a bigger guy the 162 may be the way to go.
Hcr ftw!!
Personally I'd go with the HCR.
I weigh in at 250 and ride an '06 M7 153.
There isn't a place YET that I havn't been able to get to.
Or, a place that the 'bigger' sleds can go, but I can't.
153 is MORE than enough to do anything you want.
For the money, I think the HCR is the best 'out of the box' mountain sled available. Just my .02
Cheers.
Personally I'd go with the HCR.
I weigh in at 250 and ride an '06 M7 153.
There isn't a place YET that I havn't been able to get to.
Or, a place that the 'bigger' sleds can go, but I can't.
153 is MORE than enough to do anything you want.
For the money, I think the HCR is the best 'out of the box' mountain sled available. Just my .02
Cheers.
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M1000Mod162
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I think it really depends on what you want. If you want a fast reving light whippy sled in the trees and a little more able on trails and jumping go with the hcr 153. If you like to have the power and more impotant the torque to pull up the biggest hills and deepest powder go with the 1000! The m8 is going to be pretty much at its peak without going to boost where the 1000 can make 190hp with a Slp pipe! I have myn well over 200hp with a 70lbs diet and it has ran with most every turbo ive ran with!
Just my .02
Just my .02
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The '10 HCR probably is more money than the 09 M1000. I love my 08 1000 and am so glad I didn't buy an 8. Even though the '10 800 has a new motor, you can't go wrong with the 1000.
Just my opinion, i have a 07 m8 162, pc, race motor, and a king cat with 200hp 153. I would put money into the king, boss high rise and forward steering. If you can ride that's a better sled, the M's are fun, but power is better on kings, but they need updates to handle as good. Sure some will disagree, but i won't sell my king until M's are waaaay better. Rode with a 10 hcr and was not impressed. Both sleds i have stomped it in powder. Along with a stock 10 M8. Next yr if they don't change, i'll put a 162 pc on my king and watch out. Again this is just my opinion.
i have a 09 m1 162 single pipe and other minor mods and will never go to anything with less power. ive never ridden a '10 hcr but ive ridden '10 m8 153 and my sled stomped it on every hill, boondocking through the tree's etc. I think the bigger footprint of the 162 is worth everypenny. I weigh 165 geared up and i have no problem throwing it around, just make the sled do the work. with a few minor weight losses up front and the torque from the 1000 i dont think there is much difference. i say 09 m1 all the way!
honest FACTS here.
i ride with the owner, 2 mechanics, and the brother of the owner of a cat dealership. i have ridden all the new iron. the M1 needs mods to be anything that the 2010 HCR is. hell my 09 HCR gives ANY stock or slightly modded M1 a run for its money. in fact one of the M1 owners in our group will be switching to a M8. the short quick rev's, more nimble, and the HCR has a different attack angle than the stock M's. i have and WILL out climb ANY stock M1000. with a shorter, harder track at that. the 2010 is even more of a beast. with NO mods, it will destroy...DESTROY ANY stock M1000. im talking out of the box here. i have seen it first hand MANY times. i have video of my 09 HCR (speedwerx y pipe, intake, and can) coming within 5 ft of a MODDED 2010 M1000 162". as you know the HCR is 153" this is NOT bull**** or hear say. i ride with many ALL new iron Cats. now, a modded M1000 is a different story. and it depends on what too. 2010 HCR has impressed me so much that i regret buying the 09....well, only when its riding beside me..lol.
2010 HCR all the way....
i ride with the owner, 2 mechanics, and the brother of the owner of a cat dealership. i have ridden all the new iron. the M1 needs mods to be anything that the 2010 HCR is. hell my 09 HCR gives ANY stock or slightly modded M1 a run for its money. in fact one of the M1 owners in our group will be switching to a M8. the short quick rev's, more nimble, and the HCR has a different attack angle than the stock M's. i have and WILL out climb ANY stock M1000. with a shorter, harder track at that. the 2010 is even more of a beast. with NO mods, it will destroy...DESTROY ANY stock M1000. im talking out of the box here. i have seen it first hand MANY times. i have video of my 09 HCR (speedwerx y pipe, intake, and can) coming within 5 ft of a MODDED 2010 M1000 162". as you know the HCR is 153" this is NOT bull**** or hear say. i ride with many ALL new iron Cats. now, a modded M1000 is a different story. and it depends on what too. 2010 HCR has impressed me so much that i regret buying the 09....well, only when its riding beside me..lol.
2010 HCR all the way....
honest FACTS here.
i ride with the owner, 2 mechanics, and the brother of the owner of a cat dealership. i have ridden all the new iron. the M1 needs mods to be anything that the 2010 HCR is. hell my 09 HCR gives ANY stock or slightly modded M1 a run for its money. in fact one of the M1 owners in our group will be switching to a M8. the short quick rev's, more nimble, and the HCR has a different attack angle than the stock M's. i have and WILL out climb ANY stock M1000. with a shorter, harder track at that. the 2010 is even more of a beast. with NO mods, it will destroy...DESTROY ANY stock M1000. im talking out of the box here. i have seen it first hand MANY times. i have video of my 09 HCR (speedwerx y pipe, intake, and can) coming within 5 ft of a MODDED 2010 M1000 162". as you know the HCR is 153" this is NOT bull**** or hear say. i ride with many ALL new iron Cats. now, a modded M1000 is a different story. and it depends on what too. 2010 HCR has impressed me so much that i regret buying the 09....well, only when its riding beside me..lol.
2010 HCR all the way....
I watched your video and its nice but i bet you wouldnt have gotten so close the the m1's highmark if you wouldnt have poached the whole way up.
WHAT? poach the entire way? dude are you for real???? EVERY sled ran the same course. all spreading out when you could. that climb was hit 50 times that day. i was one of the ONLY guys tryin to find new snow. you can see in the vids...hence the not so straight line i choose EVERYTIME. i still DEMO'd the climb with the turbo and set the highmark 3 times previous to the M1000. who btw took a couple pokes at her too. bottom line....the 2010 HCR will DESTROY a stock M1000....ALLLLLLL DAY long. i tell it as it is. i wanted a M1000 but was convinced other wise by people in the know (dealership mechanic) besides, if you do want to turbo...the M1000's dont work as well as the 8's.......
A stock HCR will destroy a stock M1k all day in the right snow. I soft fluffy snow the HCR trenches like a mofo. Theres a 2010 M8 HCR in my group and an M1000 in my group. Better rider on the HCR and ive seen the M1000 beat him. Theres a lot of different factors on different days......
alright, sorry didnt mean to hijack the thread into a pissing match. i was just calling it as i saw it. there are a bunch of hcr's running around here so hopefully ill find one on the hill. i dont doubt you i just have yet to see it.
wow there is some real B.S. going on here.
First off we are shooting in the dark. Where do you ride, how much do you weigh, do you like mods or stock, what kind of riding do you do ect.....
I have seen you starting a lot of thread with very little info for us to help, also all the Q's you ask have been answered before, you may want to do some searching and reading, but I will give you my thoughts anyway.
Most likely the 2010 hcr will run with or beat a 09 m1, but conditions and setup play a big role. soft snow the m1 will trench less and in the right setup snow it has the torque to do the job as well but the 2010 800 ho is a runner. If I had to get a stock sled and leave it stock, hcr for sure.
Your steering and weight problem is the skis and suspension setup, stock AC skis flat suck, the 2010 hcr skis are better.
the 09 m1000 is great out of the box and has far more potential than a 800. If you built the inside of the m1000 motor like the new 800 HO you would be looking at no less than 200hp and could get over 225 if you wanted.
If your leaving it stock get the hcr.
As for the m7 kick everthing A$$ I got a $1000 to prove it wrong. I have seen one of the best m7 ever beat m8's and work flawless/ beat it with my 07 slp m1000 and the stock 09 would beat that one.
As for the KK I have ran with a few with full slp pipe and 35hp shot of nos should have been around 195hp rated and ran great, ran with and beat it with my 07 and like said the 09 wins again(stock) maybe yours is a little better than those but if I put as much into my 09 as you did your KK (mod for mod) I have another $1000 for that race too.
The one thing about getting the power out of the m1000 is you don't want to be cheap (like not by egts with mods) and the more you know the happier you will be. I was new to cat fall of 07 and now know tons about the m1000 so don't be scared just letting you know straight.
One thing about the 2010 m8 is the motor alone weighs 19.5lbs lighter than the m1 so no matter what it will be that much heavier but if you turning 200hp out of the m1000 it going to beat it.
I like the 162 and the 09 162 is more monuverable than the 08 153, feels a lot shorter than the 07-08 162. If I could get a 90 duro track in a 162 I think I would.
First off we are shooting in the dark. Where do you ride, how much do you weigh, do you like mods or stock, what kind of riding do you do ect.....
I have seen you starting a lot of thread with very little info for us to help, also all the Q's you ask have been answered before, you may want to do some searching and reading, but I will give you my thoughts anyway.
Most likely the 2010 hcr will run with or beat a 09 m1, but conditions and setup play a big role. soft snow the m1 will trench less and in the right setup snow it has the torque to do the job as well but the 2010 800 ho is a runner. If I had to get a stock sled and leave it stock, hcr for sure.
Your steering and weight problem is the skis and suspension setup, stock AC skis flat suck, the 2010 hcr skis are better.
the 09 m1000 is great out of the box and has far more potential than a 800. If you built the inside of the m1000 motor like the new 800 HO you would be looking at no less than 200hp and could get over 225 if you wanted.
If your leaving it stock get the hcr.
As for the m7 kick everthing A$$ I got a $1000 to prove it wrong. I have seen one of the best m7 ever beat m8's and work flawless/ beat it with my 07 slp m1000 and the stock 09 would beat that one.
As for the KK I have ran with a few with full slp pipe and 35hp shot of nos should have been around 195hp rated and ran great, ran with and beat it with my 07 and like said the 09 wins again(stock) maybe yours is a little better than those but if I put as much into my 09 as you did your KK (mod for mod) I have another $1000 for that race too.
The one thing about getting the power out of the m1000 is you don't want to be cheap (like not by egts with mods) and the more you know the happier you will be. I was new to cat fall of 07 and now know tons about the m1000 so don't be scared just letting you know straight.
One thing about the 2010 m8 is the motor alone weighs 19.5lbs lighter than the m1 so no matter what it will be that much heavier but if you turning 200hp out of the m1000 it going to beat it.
I like the 162 and the 09 162 is more monuverable than the 08 153, feels a lot shorter than the 07-08 162. If I could get a 90 duro track in a 162 I think I would.
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I had a 2009 m1000 153 and i got a 2010 m8 162 snopro i would pick my m8 any day then my old m1, The m8 can climb alot better then my old m1 too but that just was 2cents worth. either way u would have a great sled cheers.
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HiWaYman92
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Last spring I rode a 10 M8 162, along side my 08 M1000 162 w/ powerclaw. Dead even on every uphill drag. The M8 definately felt more manueverable. My 08 turns like an M8 to the left.... because of the can. Turns much harder to the right with the heavy diamond drive with mechanical reverse. I need to either put the 09 style rear end on my sled and a BDX diamond lite drive, or buck up and get an 09 M1 or 10 M8. I am really leaning toward the M8. The reason I went with the M1 was price, and power. I figured that there may be a few times where I wished I would have bought the big motor, so I did it. Now after having a year under my belt on the M1, I would not be opposed to the 10 M8. The only way I would want an 09 M8 would be with a full SLP set up. If I could get the same performance out of a stock 10 M8, weighing 40 pounds less than my 08 M1, I might as well... right? So who wants to buy my stock 08 M1 for the price of a new M8? LOL!
