What's the deal with the HO

[rockymtnboy]

I have been on a proclimb for the last couple yrs and was on yami before that, so I am not brand loyal, I am wallet loyal. Thinking about mixing it up again and I am considering a pro for 15. Didn't really care for the 12 pro b/c of the lack of power. The 13 felt better with the belt drive, but I had no faith in the poo 800. I was on the poo website looking at the new 800 HO (or it is at least new to me) wondering why it is not in the pro rmk. Am I missing something here? What's the deal? What are the hp numbers for the HO?Like I said, not familiar with poo so go easy on me! Thx

 

[sledneck_03]

I have been on a proclimb for the last couple yrs and was on yami before that, so I am not brand loyal, I am wallet loyal. Thinking about mixing it up again and I am considering a pro for 15. Didn't really care for the 12 pro b/c of the lack of power. The 13 felt better with the belt drive, but I had no faith in the poo 800. I was on the poo website looking at the new 800 HO (or it is at least new to me) wondering why it is not in the pro rmk. Am I missing something here? What's the deal? What are the hp numbers for the HO?Like I said, not familiar with poo so go easy on me! Thx

they said it wont fit in the pro chassis. The way the pipe and intake is aligned i think is the culprit.

a quick calculation with their power to weight increase on the switchbacks its showing approximate 160 hp. They also said that it dynoed by others same as or more than other current 800s.

when it gets dynoed by dynotech it will be certain.

2016 or 2017 im sure the rmk will see it. I think they may want some 1000-2000 miles a season short trackers to test it out before it goes full lineup.

 

[Calvin42]

I think what Poo is doing is checking this engine out before moving to the Mountain segment. Pretty standard practice with all the big four. As for hp, only time will tell. I suspect since Poo is saying it has a few more ponies than the Cat or Doo 800 motors, they must have made some improvements to catch up to the other two. As for reliability, I know some folks have had problems. I have a 12 and 13 Pro 163's and had Zero problems with them. I too am not brand loyal. I have a dealer that takes care of me and actually deals on the price. So I guess for now I will ride Poo. However, the 12 may have to go to make room for a XM 174". Then next year the 13 will go to make room for the new Pro RMK. Time will tell.

 

[jakey-boy]

My guess is you will see the HO motor in the 2017 mountain sleds. With an all new chassis. Which is why polaris is offering the golden ticket for $1000 of a 2016. They are already anticipating both 2015 and 2016 being a low sales year with little changes. The golden ticket increases sales for 2015 by playing on the hopes that a new engine is coming for 2016 and people thinking they might as well get a 15 to get a $1000 off when they will want a 16 either way. Then of course it increases the sales for 16 since people will already have the ticket they will definitely use it. Its a smart method for clearing out inventory for the final year on a chassis and engine.

Big changes for 2017 is my prediction.

 

[2XM3]

agreed, 2017 will more than likely be the year, until then I'm more than happy to keep my 14 pro ,unless they offer a 2500.00 platinum ticket lol

 

[rmscustom]

Golden ticket is also good for 2017 snowchecks...

 

[jakey-boy]

Golden ticket is also good for 2017 snowchecks...

oh you are right. Didn't catch that before.

 

[rockymtnboy]

That too bad, like I said I really wanted to try a poo, I just don't want the "old" 800. Maybe. a doo? Doubt it, t-motion just doesn't do it for me. I guess I'll be on my proclimb till poo puts the HO in the pro. Oh well, I really like my proclimb. I love sledding!

 

[geo]

I don't think Poo is settling on poor sales at all. First time ever snow checking a sled gets you a very better product for YOU than an in season sled and if you into it (looks like many want that with all the wraps and things) you can actually have a different looking sled than your buddies. The golden ticket is just icing for now cause we haven't seen what it can go towards yet.
If Poo keeps this program in the future the rest will HAVE to follow. Finally you have a sled to trade in or sell that is different than what is left on the floor at discounted prices. It didn't cost you a penny more either (so you don't have to expect more for the stuff you added which you never get anyway lol).

Every year the sleds get closer to pull and go off the floor. Thank Poo for that if you have forgotten. Now they raised that bar. Shocks, bars, bags, wraps, paint, ES all included. How much have you spent on that stuff in your first or second year in the past?

Ya "but there is nothing new" lol. Be thankful IMO. I've had a couple of new models in the past that left me wishing for my old one back. V-max 600, 800 Hi Mark, PC '12 are a couple-three. In the end you get them dialed but,,,.

I think many have forgotten the grin they got when learning what this chassis can do. It may become as famous in the future as the Suzuki lay downs. You never known until it's gone.

The power? What??? Read it all the time on the net but lots of side by side timed tests in the last 3yrs. They win or are close. So,,, What??? Certainly not my opinion.
Rider always was and always will be the difference. A rider wants response, track speed and handles. Pro is still the best at this balance.

Durability. If the only thing I have to do is keep my motor fresh on my sled I'm in heaven (every year it gets better too). The Pro has the strongest clutches, the strongest bulkhead (and a few plates make it the strongest complete chassis), best plastic, best sealing, best seat tank combo, best steering linkage and strongest, best front suspension for the mountains, easiest to work on, and 4yrs later it is still the lightest.

The rest are still catching up. The biggest newsmaker this year is the 3" stuff. I ride with 3 friends with 174x 3" Doo's. They are tractors, not for me. Two have second sleds for that reason. Unfortunately there is no room or desire in my shop for 2 sleds.
I'm on a cut down to 2" 155. They will go straighter up further but the stock motor still forces a turn and that's where I catch up. When they get stuck(every one I ride with still gets stuck, It`s what we do), OMG, I`m getting too old for that. When I get stuck the Pro is the only help I need. And,,, when we get back I don't have steam coming off my head when I take the helmet off.

Careful what you wish for. I think next season sled swapping will sell more for Poo than the Burant videos.

 

[prorideupper800]

Golden Ticket

The Golden ticket should be used for Hiring back their warranty rep's that used to travel around to the dealerships to see how things were going, like Pistons failing on sleds with low miles etc. etc., talked to my Dealership Mechanic yesterday and he said Polaris has really gone down hill in their warranty dept.

 

[Reg2view]

The 800HO motor has a case that is cast for the chassis - it is not a dropin for the current Pro bulkhead, at least not in 15. It also has an always active bypass cooling circuit, more like a RMK, which would be tougher to pull off with the Pro's current cooling config.

I agree with Geo - this kind of snowcheck could/SHOULD be the future. The new snowcheck standard, and it could force AC an Doo to follow with their own. It's been talked about with OEMs since the 90's, but the engineering, logistics, and manufacturing systems required are more complicated than many would think. While it cannabilizes some of the PG&A sales, like windshields, bags, they can make some if it up in snowcheck price, and are also nibbling at the edges of the aftermarket ecosystem. If they execute well, expect more in the future.

 

[Kraven]

2015 TOP END ON OLDER 800'S

The next thing to look at would be the feasibility & practicality (if it's even do-able) of swapping the 2015 800 H.O. top end & ECU onto the 2014 & older 800's

 

[benny7cfan]

The next thing to look at would be the feasibility & practicality (if it's even do-able) of swapping the 2015 800 H.O. top end & ECU onto the 2014 & older 800's

I think those that did this would not be happy and wasting money. My sources are telling me the HP gains in the HO are driven by the intake/exhaust and the reduction in rotating mass(pork-chop crank). IE. the same gains would not be realized in the pro chassis as the axys due to those limitations.

 

[sled_guy]

I'm skeptical of the "as strong or stronger than any other 800 out there" claim. Ran the 2015 Polaris against the Doo in West last week and the Doo had it covered by a long way, out of corners, rolling start, from a dead stop.

Ran an AXIS Switchback (new motor) against an Assault Switchback (old motor) and they were dead nuts even in drag races.

I guess we'll just say its calibration that isn't finished for the 2015s yet. But no way is the HO motor making 160hp. Notice that in their materials they say 15% increase in power to weight... the new chassis is 30lbs lighter than the old one.

With the electric oil pump the throttle pull is noticeably less.

One good thing the mountain riders can take from it is that they won't be the test pilots for the new motor, the flatlanders get to do that.

sled_guy

 

[Skeld]

The HO in the RMK for 2016 isn't a foregone conclusion? I'd be more likely to snowcheck this year if I thought I had two seasons before the HO came out.

 

[Pownar]

I think you would have two seasons. You could snow check a 17.

 

[rmk727]

Hey sled guy, cool it with the negative waves

 

[geo]

Personally, I'm not a fan of high rpm to make power out of a twin 2 stroke. Especially in the mountains. The new HO runs 8200 to 8500 rpm. Give me a triple for those rpm please.

When Cat went to the HO motor I wished for my ported with the great SLP pipe, '09back. More power at 250-300 rpm less.
Clutching loses efficiency exponentially with rpm. The curve gets steep right around 7950 to 8000 r's.

I like the electronic ex valves. About time. The other 2 get to use the 3 stepping to add torque with free flowing exhaust too. The electric oil pump is the future but I want more so I'll wait until I know how to adjust. Personal thing until they reinvent a 2 stroke.
I've not seen the port configuration yet. Did they spread the C to C of the cylinders?

My favourite mountain motor of all time was the Cat 900 (862cc) . Needed help for dependability but over a 100 ftlbs of torque from 5000 to 7500 rpm made it produce no matter what the RAD gauge says lol. Clutch it for 7200-7300rpm and away we go all day long over 4000' of elevation change. With old school technology it was about 11 lbs heavier than the CFI.

Hope Poo builds something like that.

 

[rockinmranch]

I don't think Poo is settling on poor sales at all. First time ever snow checking a sled gets you a very better product for YOU than an in season sled and if you into it (looks like many want that with all the wraps and things) you can actually have a different looking sled than your buddies. The golden ticket is just icing for now cause we haven't seen what it can go towards yet.
If Poo keeps this program in the future the rest will HAVE to follow. Finally you have a sled to trade in or sell that is different than what is left on the floor at discounted prices. It didn't cost you a penny more either (so you don't have to expect more for the stuff you added which you never get anyway lol).

Every year the sleds get closer to pull and go off the floor. Thank Poo for that if you have forgotten. Now they raised that bar. Shocks, bars, bags, wraps, paint, ES all included. How much have you spent on that stuff in your first or second year in the past?

Ya "but there is nothing new" lol. Be thankful IMO. I've had a couple of new models in the past that left me wishing for my old one back. V-max 600, 800 Hi Mark, PC '12 are a couple-three. In the end you get them dialed but,,,.

I think many have forgotten the grin they got when learning what this chassis can do. It may become as famous in the future as the Suzuki lay downs. You never known until it's gone.

The power? What??? Read it all the time on the net but lots of side by side timed tests in the last 3yrs. They win or are close. So,,, What??? Certainly not my opinion.
Rider always was and always will be the difference. A rider wants response, track speed and handles. Pro is still the best at this balance.

Durability. If the only thing I have to do is keep my motor fresh on my sled I'm in heaven (every year it gets better too). The Pro has the strongest clutches, the strongest bulkhead (and a few plates make it the strongest complete chassis), best plastic, best sealing, best seat tank combo, best steering linkage and strongest, best front suspension for the mountains, easiest to work on, and 4yrs later it is still the lightest.

The rest are still catching up. The biggest newsmaker this year is the 3" stuff. I ride with 3 friends with 174x 3" Doo's. They are tractors, not for me. Two have second sleds for that reason. Unfortunately there is no room or desire in my shop for 2 sleds.
I'm on a cut down to 2" 155. They will go straighter up further but the stock motor still forces a turn and that's where I catch up. When they get stuck(every one I ride with still gets stuck, It`s what we do), OMG, I`m getting too old for that. When I get stuck the Pro is the only help I need. And,,, when we get back I don't have steam coming off my head when I take the helmet off.

Careful what you wish for. I think next season sled swapping will sell more for Poo than the Burant videos.

Anyone who has spent much time on the pro chassis knows what you are talking about. How many times have you been in a stuck that you never thought you were going to get out under your own power? Throw it in reverse, back up six inches, one ski tug, hop on, flex your butt cheeks, wiggle side to side, pop a little fart and away you go. The sleds are amazing!! I have had the pleasure of riding with a few arctic cats this winter, and helping them get unstuck an/or rode the sleds out for them. Arctic Cats feel soooo!! much heavier when pulling on the skis to get out, my back is still sore. The overall sled has a very heavy planted feel in the front. I was expecting much more from a new model sled. Doo's are great sleds if you can ride that chassis (etec motor is years ahead of the rest), still not a Polaris. IMO the Polaris chassis is so far superior to anything else out there, a little tolereance of the motor is a pretty insignificant trade off.

 

[Pro-8250]

Anyone who has spent much time on the pro chassis knows what you are talking about. How many times have you been in a stuck that you never thought you were going to get out under your own power? Throw it in reverse, back up six inches, one ski tug, hop on, flex your butt cheeks, wiggle side to side, pop a little fart and away you go. The sleds are amazing!! I have had the pleasure of riding with a few arctic cats this winter, and helping them get unstuck an/or rode the sleds out for them. Arctic Cats feel soooo!! much heavier when pulling on the skis to get out, my back is still sore. The overall sled has a very heavy planted feel in the front. I was expecting much more from a new model sled. Doo's are great sleds if you can ride that chassis (etec motor is years ahead of the rest), still not a Polaris. IMO the Polaris chassis is so far superior to anything else out there, a little tolereance of the motor is a pretty insignificant trade off.

What he said.