Let me preface this by saying I prefer riding over skiing but today went skiing with some buddies on Jones pass. With the avy conditions so high we stayed to one area on lower terrain. We just finished skiing and we were standing at the bottom when a group of riders came right past us and proceeded to destroy the area we were skiing. Its a small patch of slightly treed slope that I've been skiing for a decade or more. I skied up to a rider and explained that theres a lot of rideable terrain and that I'm a total sledneck and I understand that they can ride anywhere they want but could they please leave this one small hillside for us to ski. I explained that I didn't want to be a d#@k and was just asking. The choice was completely up to them of course. He proceeded to tell me that he came there to ride, started his sled and joined his buddies in trashing the hillside. I have ridden sleds for about 34 years starting when I was 10 and if someone asked me that I would have moved on to the next area. So, my question is what would you do? Is there faith in humanity or is it every man for themselves?
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Boondoctor
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We have a huge advantage over skiiers.. we can cover so much area. So, YES, I go out of my way to make room when I see them, so hopefully slednecks don't earn a bad reputation..
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snowmobiler
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i got to my favorite snopark and it was full yesterday.i was a little pissed off LOL..but i didnt ask anyone to move.
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capulin overdrive
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Not enough info to say what I'd have done.
Anything from a no problem we'll go ride over there, to stick it up yours and done exactly what they did.
Don't sweat it, life is too short to stress!
Anything from a no problem we'll go ride over there, to stick it up yours and done exactly what they did.
Don't sweat it, life is too short to stress!
I didn't sweat it. I've had these conversations before and some were cool and others were dbags. Today was deep for all. I just don't want to believe that we are a bunch of jerks. I always believe especially when I'm skiing to be polite and ask nice. The rest is up to the character of the other individuals
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snengineer
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I would of respected your concerns and stayed out of that small hill you were skiing. A question I have always wondered but never gotten a good answer, when your skiing BC you want to be left the heck alone, why not stick to wilderness areas? they offer the best snow, terrain, usually location and scenery plus no sledders in sight. Why not stick to wilderness if all you want is to be left alone?
I would have thanked your group for asking nicely and encouraged my group to leave it to the guys that were there before us.
If I could see that you were skiing that slope, and there was plenty elsewhere, we probably would have never met because we would have automatically moved on. If you were in a prime sledding area, I may have told you the same as they did simply because I agree with the above, there is PLENTY of wilderness to ski.
Now we the sledders would be happy to see those areas re-opened so that these conflicts do not happen as often, due to much better choices being available. When we continue to shrink the size of the use area and increase the capabilities of the machines the conflicts will increase. You thought your skiing would never be affected? I bet most skiers haven't realized the ramifications of their selfishness yet...
Now we the sledders would be happy to see those areas re-opened so that these conflicts do not happen as often, due to much better choices being available. When we continue to shrink the size of the use area and increase the capabilities of the machines the conflicts will increase. You thought your skiing would never be affected? I bet most skiers haven't realized the ramifications of their selfishness yet...
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snengineer
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Because you have to skin and I own a motorized hiking machine.
How you say...wants cake and eats it too? Not trying to make you look bad but my heavens, the way the skiing community sees themselves, no wonder these groups are success politicians errrrrrrr hypocrites.
That may have been their way of saying "f- you" for all the areas that got closed to sledding and now only allow skiing.
I bet I know what area you were skiing @ JP; I ski it, too, on dangerous days.
I'm a skier first; I use snowmobiles to ski. I certainly avoid good ski terrain if there are people using it - it is just courteous. I absolutely, positively do not ride my sled into good skiing terrain - made that mistake once, lots of sleds followed me in, now it is unskiable. Oops.
I'm not sure I'd have asked, though. Depends, I guess. I'm surprised they rode it after you asked; that's pretty lame - and if you were skiing the shot I think you were (catop made a road right to the bottom of it this year?), there's PLENTY of other interesting stuff over toward Butgulch.
I'd guess that the vast majority of sledders would see the ski group & go somewhere else. I know I would. There's a small group of devoted douchebags that think it is somehow fun to ruin other people's days. They make snowmobilers look bad.
I'm a skier first; I use snowmobiles to ski. I certainly avoid good ski terrain if there are people using it - it is just courteous. I absolutely, positively do not ride my sled into good skiing terrain - made that mistake once, lots of sleds followed me in, now it is unskiable. Oops.
I'm not sure I'd have asked, though. Depends, I guess. I'm surprised they rode it after you asked; that's pretty lame - and if you were skiing the shot I think you were (catop made a road right to the bottom of it this year?), there's PLENTY of other interesting stuff over toward Butgulch.
I'd guess that the vast majority of sledders would see the ski group & go somewhere else. I know I would. There's a small group of devoted douchebags that think it is somehow fun to ruin other people's days. They make snowmobilers look bad.
I got into the sport of snowmobiling thru back country skiing. I am much more of a sled head now and probably only ski 2 maybe 3 days a season and spend the rest ripping it up on my sled. I understand the loosing areas issue all too well. I feel the pain when I loose areas just like everyone else does. Urad was a great place to ride especially in the spring, when you could ride all the way to loveland. I donate and am a member of my local club to keep areas open. So, maybe the dbag riders thought screw you because you damn skiers keep taking our riding area away. But, in reality I am as passionate about the sport, like to ride hard, and spend my hard earned money on the sport. I just like to every now and again clamp on the planks and make some downhill pow turns.
rhallaran we were in a different place at JP. When you get to the meadow you go straight instead of following the road to the left. After the road crosses the stream and you get to the first meadow there's an area on the left that is maybe 100 yards wide by 200-300 yards long. You ski right to the road and pick up there and drop off below and east of the saddle
rhallaran we were in a different place at JP. When you get to the meadow you go straight instead of following the road to the left. After the road crosses the stream and you get to the first meadow there's an area on the left that is maybe 100 yards wide by 200-300 yards long. You ski right to the road and pick up there and drop off below and east of the saddle
About a month ago we came across a sled skier way back in an area at W.C. and we stopped and said hi to him. He said that he didn't care if we tracked up the hill, but we told him that we would go elsewhere. As easy as it is for us to move a little ways further in, who wouldn't?
I never would have known that skiiers have certain areas on a mountain that can be designated to them. If they asked me to stay off their trail, I would have, but all the times I've ridden, no skiiers ever asked me to stay off of their area... 
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They were snowmobiling. It is a multi-use area. I personally wouldn't be a di*k unless someone swung a pole at me, which has happened there btw... It's fun for me to watch you guys as well as play for ourselves on a face nearby.
But...As you know Butler Gulch is a large section of Jones that is closed to motor vehicles, take the left on the way up and de-conflict for yourself. Couldn't be an easier place to do it.
Or when you chose to ski, use one of the numerous areas we have already lost to motorized use.
But...As you know Butler Gulch is a large section of Jones that is closed to motor vehicles, take the left on the way up and de-conflict for yourself. Couldn't be an easier place to do it.
Or when you chose to ski, use one of the numerous areas we have already lost to motorized use.
I fully know that it is within their right to snowmobile wherever they want to and I mentioned that to them when I asked politely to leave the small part to us to ski. You cant ski butler gulch with a sled and that is how I choose to ski when I do so. I to have had ski poles swung at me, people grab their dogs and kids like I am going to run them down, arguments with people in the parking lot about snowmobiles, and been parked in. I have been riding jp for about 10 years before the cat was there and before it was on the map by all the greenies. It used to be a great rec area now its a pain in the butt. Too many conflicts between everyone. Snowmobilers who don't give a rats a** about anybody other than themselves, skiners and snowshoers who hate us, skiers who think that the area should be left to them. Aren't we all snow sport enthusiast sharing the same rec area? If it takes less than 3 minutes for 4 or 5 sledders to trash one hillside then move on but a group of 4 skiers can ski that same area most of the day why be dbags?
Furthermore, its those dbag, don't give a rats a** sledders that give us all a bad name. I personally try to kill them with kindness not matter what there behavior is because my momma raised me right!
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