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We already have "Socialized Medicine"

Sturgis Sledder

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I thought this deserved it's own thread so here it is:

I had an interesting conversation with someone last night and they made some VERY interesting points. There are only a handful of insurance companies that deal with healthcare, there are only a limited number of people allowed into medical school, and there is a limited number of "approved" healthcare facilities and these facilities MUST treat everyone that walks through the door.

So if you look at it we already have "socialized medicine" as we are limited to who we can buy insurance from, who we can go see and who those facilities have to see.

From the book Profession and monopoly, a book published in 1975 is critical of the AMA for limiting the supply of physicians and inflating the cost of medical care in the United States. The book claims that physician supply is kept low by the AMA to ensure high pay for practicing physicians. It states that in the United States the number, curriculum, and size of medical schools are restricted by state licensing boards controlled by representatives of state medical societies associated with the AMA. The book is also critical of the ethical rules adopted by the AMA which restrict advertisement and other types of competition between professionals. It points out that advertising and bargaining can result in expulsion from the AMA and legal revocation of licenses. The book also states that before 1912 the AMA included uniform fees for specific medical procedures in its official code of ethics. The AMA's influence on hospital regulation was also criticized in the book.

The easiest way to lower healthcare costs is to open the healthcare system up, NOT stifle it even more. Why should a medical school be limited to a certain number of students? IF the dropout rate is 20%, instead of letting 100 in and only getting 80 Dr.s out why not let 300 in and get 240 Dr.s out. by increasing supply the price will go down (According to supply and demand).

As was mentioned Tort reform, limit pain and suffering awards, in court (should there have been negligence) no one should be denied the money it cost them for the medical care, but no one needs Millions and Millions of dollars for any reason (RE: lady burned by coffee at McDonalds got $2.86 M).

The same should be done with lawyers as well, and this was coming from a retired lawyer.
 
DING!
That is what I have been saying for years.
Do something with the lawyer problem, open up the medical profession and remove government interference.
 
DING!
That is what I have been saying for years.
Do something with the lawyer problem, open up the medical profession and remove government interference.

So you want government to dictate that the medical schools increase the amount of people they take in?

Anyways, medicine will always be socialized, it is called insurance. Unless you pay out of pocket for all your medical needs, or you are netting zero to what your insurance costs and what services you use, you are either paying for someone elses service, or they are paying yours.

That is the whole point of insurance, to spread the costs around to everyone... Same thing for autos, home, and the rest.

Insurance IS socialization of costs... period.
 
So you want government to dictate that the medical schools increase the amount of people they take in?

Anyways, medicine will always be socialized, it is called insurance. Unless you pay out of pocket for all your medical needs, or you are netting zero to what your insurance costs and what services you use, you are either paying for someone elses service, or they are paying yours.

That is the whole point of insurance, to spread the costs around to everyone... Same thing for autos, home, and the rest.

Insurance IS socialization of costs... period.

NO we want government NOT to limit the number of people they take in, which is done, how many times have you seen or heard about someone that because they got a 3.8 they could not get into Med School, is someone that got a 4.0 a better Dr. than someone that got a 3.8? When you are limited to whom you can purchase anything from it is wrong, by creating so many levels of bureaucracy for Medical Schools, Medical Facilities, Medical Professionals, Insurers, etc. that is what is socializing medicine.
 
So you want government to dictate that the medical schools increase the amount of people they take in?

Anyways, medicine will always be socialized, it is called insurance. Unless you pay out of pocket for all your medical needs, or you are netting zero to what your insurance costs and what services you use, you are either paying for someone elses service, or they are paying yours.

That is the whole point of insurance, to spread the costs around to everyone... Same thing for autos, home, and the rest.

Insurance IS socialization of costs... period.

I have got to agree with this! The next thing you know Med schools will be graduating doctors that are as well educated as the average highschool kid!:eek:
 
NO we want government NOT to limit the number of people they take in, which is done, how many times have you seen or heard about someone that because they got a 3.8 they could not get into Med School, is someone that got a 4.0 a better Dr. than someone that got a 3.8? When you are limited to whom you can purchase anything from it is wrong, by creating so many levels of bureaucracy for Medical Schools, Medical Facilities, Medical Professionals, Insurers, etc. that is what is socializing medicine.

Aren't all your examples separate of the government? I do not think the AMA is a governmental organization. I believe it is a professional association, similar to SAE, IEEE, the unions, and many many others....
 
From the book Profession and monopoly, a book published in 1975 is critical of the AMA for limiting the supply of physicians and inflating the cost of medical care in the United States. The book claims that physician supply is kept low by the AMA to ensure high pay for practicing physicians. It states that in the United States the number, curriculum, and size of medical schools are restricted by state licensing boards controlled by representatives of state medical societies associated with the AMA. The book is also critical of the ethical rules adopted by the AMA which restrict advertisement and other types of competition between professionals. It points out that advertising and bargaining can result in expulsion from the AMA and legal revocation of licenses. The book also states that before 1912 the AMA included uniform fees for specific medical procedures in its official code of ethics. The AMA's influence on hospital regulation was also criticized in the book.

The above looks like a quote from the wiki for the AMA

wiki AMA...


Where did you get the quote above from?
 
NO we want government NOT to limit the number of people they take in, which is done, how many times have you seen or heard about someone that because they got a 3.8 they could not get into Med School, is someone that got a 4.0 a better Dr. than someone that got a 3.8? When you are limited to whom you can purchase anything from it is wrong, by creating so many levels of bureaucracy for Medical Schools, Medical Facilities, Medical Professionals, Insurers, etc. that is what is socializing medicine.

I totally agree with what you are saying here! In fact i think its that kind of crap that has led the entire nation down the path its on. I cant stand so called "smart or Educated" people.Just because you have a 4.0 does not mean you are smart it simply means you excell in acedemics.Many brilliant people do not perform well in that type of enviroment. But you have to admit considering the impact on us all this is at least a very slippery slope!
 
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