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Warranty Question: Out of pocket for "Diagnostics"???

Thanks for your response to my issues with the vancouver, wa dealership. They didnt say they wouldnt fix it, they just told me that I would be responsible for the cost of "diagnostic time" spent on labor, i.e., taking the chain case apart and looking into it. They also told me that I would be financially responsible for paying for the engine oil when they work on it. When I had the update kit done, they made me pay for the engine oil and a half hours labor for an "oil change".

Anyways, I would rather not go to them again. I called the dealership in Salem and they said they would fix it at no cost to me. The only issue they said was that if the initial update kit was done incorrectly than it would be on the original dealership that screwed it up to fix it.

One dumb question you haven't hit anything have you? Ok one more did you check to make sure they put oil back into your chaincase? Seeing as how they "dropped the oil" to work on the chaincase maybe they spaced putting chaincase oil back in the chain case.

Shell
 
One dumb question you haven't hit anything have you? Ok one more did you check to make sure they put oil back into your chaincase? Seeing as how they "dropped the oil" to work on the chaincase maybe they spaced putting chaincase oil back in the chain case.

Shell

I bent an a-arm last ride but the reverse problem was before that. They did put oil back in the chaincase I know.
 
did you try unplugging it like I said earlier? I know a person shouldn't have to do this and that there might be another problem but it works for me everytime mine quits working.
 
Thanks for your response to my issues with the vancouver, wa dealership. They didnt say they wouldnt fix it, they just told me that I would be responsible for the cost of "diagnostic time" spent on labor, i.e., taking the chain case apart and looking into it. They also told me that I would be financially responsible for paying for the engine oil when they work on it. When I had the update kit done, they made me pay for the engine oil and a half hours labor for an "oil change".

Anyways, I would rather not go to them again. I called the dealership in Salem and they said they would fix it at no cost to me. The only issue they said was that if the initial update kit was done incorrectly than it would be on the original dealership that screwed it up to fix it.

That is funny because you dont have to drop the engine oil to take chain case apart. The oil resevoir just slide over to the side. I would definately go to a different dealer.
 
Thanks for your response to my issues with the vancouver, wa dealership. They didnt say they wouldnt fix it, they just told me that I would be responsible for the cost of "diagnostic time" spent on labor, i.e., taking the chain case apart and looking into it. They also told me that I would be financially responsible for paying for the engine oil when they work on it. When I had the update kit done, they made me pay for the engine oil and a half hours labor for an "oil change".

Anyways, I would rather not go to them again. I called the dealership in Salem and they said they would fix it at no cost to me. The only issue they said was that if the initial update kit was done incorrectly than it would be on the original dealership that screwed it up to fix it.

go to dans, im sure they have better customer service than boatland, i cant believe they are doing that,, just shows the incompetence behind the counters, the owner was always pretty good, but the sheep their are struggling..

exaclty why i quit buying from them, spent like 12k one year and then broke a clutch bolt, went in they(boatland) did not have any in stock, i said, can you borrow one from one of those 50 sleds you have sitting their, dude says, oh no way.... i said ok called another dealer in oregon city that is out of business now, and they said we are out of stock but i can steal one off one of my sleds on the floor, come on down...... thats service!!!!!!
they went out of business before i could give them any more of my business..
sorry for your troubles.....
 
That "damn dealer's" perspective

Against my better judgement, I figured I would jump on the thread for what it's worth. With no disrespect to the customer or his concerns with his sled. I too agree that NEW stuff should WORK, however, there are always 3 sides to every story.

Our "mistep" here was probably in the tech's over-cautious disclosure of "worst case scenario". I know that ALL being covered by warranty was a major concern. I can assure you, NO customer has ever been charged for a warranty claim authorized by Arctic Cat, Yamaha, Mercury or any other represented MFR. Diagnostic or otherwise. And trust me, anyone that thinks a dealer gets wealthy on warranty is delusional. We ask for all that is allowable, however, it's frequently very much on the dealer's dime.

I do believe Evan was charged a minimal amount for an oil change on the reverse update and service as his motor oil was not reused and the sled had 500+ miles on it. He supplied a kit that had been opened and had to be added to. I apologize for the continuing issue. The "update" may not have been the fix-all. We've had plenty that had never faulted even without the update. However, again, I too think they should WORK.

There are many reasons to be a snowmobile dealer but as the marketplace has sadly shown, economics is far down the list. It is disheartening to see dealers like Waldrons no longer around.

Although we have built a local following over that last 6+ years and have tried to fill the void left by TOTS, and Factory Motorsports and (insert name here), and although we will always run sales on parts and accessories and sell sleds for unsustainably cheap prices, we will probably not always be the cheapest internet provider or ever be the best shop for DIY warranty. We do, however, hope to earn the respect of local riders.

We ride what we sell. Our technician is factory certified, experienced, and a life long AC rider. We stock every part we sell(at least 2-3 times per year). And, we support and sponsor every local club that help build the sport. We have stayed committed to the sport and brand through the industry's toughest period in history so yes we do take it personally.

And Wasatchcomm, I'd appreciate hearing about where the "sheep" have let you down. No "sheep" is without a herder and is always capable of the occasional stray. I know I have personally robbed or authorized more than a few stock sleds to take care of one our customers but we both know I NEVER have 50 sleds sitting in stock. I'm not that crazy!!

If we can save Evan a drive to Salem or Baker City or ?? we are at his service. If not, I respect that every customer has a choice and would endorse the reputation of either of the aforementioned dealerships.

Now I say let's spend more time jumping cornices and less time jumping to conclusions!

Let it snow,
PBL Dave.
 
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Popcorn

Oh boy, gotta say in today's world there are those who take advantage and those that choose not to. I for one appreciate those that don't and will continue spending my dollars with them and sending them out west. I know I should support the local yada yada yada, but raising twins on a single income I watch my $$$! more power to ya Michelle and thank you!!!
 
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Your technician is factory certified and he drains the engine oil to open the chain case? That's funny. You should hire real mechanics.
 
Against my better judgement, I figured I would jump on the thread for what it's worth. With no disrespect to the customer or his concerns with his sled. I too agree that NEW stuff should WORK, however, there are always 3 sides to every story.

Our "mistep" here was probably in the tech's over-cautious disclosure of "worst case scenario". I know that ALL being covered by warranty was a major concern. I can assure you, NO customer has ever been charged for a warranty claim authorized by Arctic Cat, Yamaha, Mercury or any other represented MFR. Diagnostic or otherwise. And trust me, anyone that thinks a dealer gets wealthy on warranty is delusional. We ask for all that is allowable, however, it's frequently very much on the dealer's dime.

I do believe Evan was charged a minimal amount for an oil change on the reverse update and service as his motor oil was not reused and the sled had 500+ miles on it. He supplied a kit that had been opened and had to be added to. I apologize for the continuing issue. The "update" may not have been the fix-all. We've had plenty that had never faulted even without the update. However, again, I too think they should WORK.

I understand we could be a more "popular" dealer if maybe we "fudged" a warranty claim here or there but unfortunately it's an integrity thing and I apologize if we don't want to jeopardize our dealership to be a "nice guy". I know there are others that feel differently and will leave that up to each dealer to decide.

There are many reasons to be a snowmobile dealer but as the marketplace has sadly shown, economics is far down the list. It is disheartening to see dealers like Waldrons no longer around.

Although we have built a local following over that last 6+ years and have tried to fill the void left by TOTS, and Factory Motorsports and (insert name here), and although we will always run sales on parts and accessories and sell sleds for unsustainably cheap prices, we will probably never ALWAYS be the cheapest internet provider or ever be the best shop for DIY warranty. We do, however, hope to earn the respect of local riders.

We ride what we sell. Our technician is factory certified, experienced and a life long AC rider. We stock every part we sell(at least 2-3 times per year). And, we support and sponsor every local club that help build the sport. We have stayed committed to the sport and brand through the industry's toughest period in history so yes we do take it personally.

And Wasatchcomm, I'd appreciate hearing about where the "sheep" have let you down. No "sheep" is without a herder and is always capable of the occasional stray. I know I have personally robbed or authorized more than a few stock sleds to take care of one our customers but we both know I NEVER have 50 sleds sitting in stock. I'm not that crazy!! :face-icon-small-sh

If we can save Evan a drive to Salem or Baker City or ?? we are at his service. If not, I respect that every customer has a choice and would endorse the reputation of either of the aforementioned dealerships.

Now I say let's spend more time jumping cornices and less time jumping to conclusions!

Let it snow,
PBL Dave.

I did not start this thread to Bash on Pacific Boatland. I started it to get a second opinion about how Arctic Cat Warranty covers "diagnostic time". PBLDave, I'm not trying to get a handout or ask you to lie to Arctic Cat to be a "nice guy". I did BTW, buy an a-arm. a belt, and other parts from your dealership despite what I was told at the counter regarding getting my reverse fixed. You and your tech have made it very clear that Arctic Cat warranty work is not a profitable endeavor for your company, but I still paid FULL PRICE for my sled last year, and the Extended Warranty, and I am not going to pay your dealership to diagnose that the reverse update kit was not done properly.
 
Against my better judgement, I figured I would jump on the thread for what it's worth. With no disrespect to the customer or his concerns with his sled. I too agree that NEW stuff should WORK, however, there are always 3 sides to every story.

Our "mistep" here was probably in the tech's over-cautious disclosure of "worst case scenario". I know that ALL being covered by warranty was a major concern. I can assure you, NO customer has ever been charged for a warranty claim authorized by Arctic Cat, Yamaha, Mercury or any other represented MFR. Diagnostic or otherwise. And trust me, anyone that thinks a dealer gets wealthy on warranty is delusional. We ask for all that is allowable, however, it's frequently very much on the dealer's dime.

I do believe Evan was charged a minimal amount for an oil change on the reverse update and service as his motor oil was not reused and the sled had 500+ miles on it. He supplied a kit that had been opened and had to be added to. I apologize for the continuing issue. The "update" may not have been the fix-all. We've had plenty that had never faulted even without the update. However, again, I too think they should WORK.

There are many reasons to be a snowmobile dealer but as the marketplace has sadly shown, economics is far down the list. It is disheartening to see dealers like Waldrons no longer around.

Although we have built a local following over that last 6+ years and have tried to fill the void left by TOTS, and Factory Motorsports and (insert name here), and although we will always run sales on parts and accessories and sell sleds for unsustainably cheap prices, we will probably not always be the cheapest internet provider or ever be the best shop for DIY warranty. We do, however, hope to earn the respect of local riders.

We ride what we sell. Our technician is factory certified, experienced, and a life long AC rider. We stock every part we sell(at least 2-3 times per year). And, we support and sponsor every local club that help build the sport. We have stayed committed to the sport and brand through the industry's toughest period in history so yes we do take it personally.

And Wasatchcomm, I'd appreciate hearing about where the "sheep" have let you down. No "sheep" is without a herder and is always capable of the occasional stray. I know I have personally robbed or authorized more than a few stock sleds to take care of one our customers but we both know I NEVER have 50 sleds sitting in stock. I'm not that crazy!!

If we can save Evan a drive to Salem or Baker City or ?? we are at his service. If not, I respect that every customer has a choice and would endorse the reputation of either of the aforementioned dealerships.

Now I say let's spend more time jumping cornices and less time jumping to conclusions!

Let it snow,
PBL Dave.

i apologize your dealership was ever mentioned, i was not going to publicly name it on this forum, but simply share my bad experinces with the OP...

i broke a primary cover bolt, came in to get one, you were out of stock, asked stu(sheep) if we could steal one from one of the stock sleds on the floor, thier were many sleds, maybe not 50 but enough to get one bolt while i waited for one to be shipped, he denied that request, i called factory motorsports and they too were out of stock, but he offered before i even asked that he could take one off a machine on the floor...
i have never had an issue with you personally, but i have had several run ins with stu(sheep), he changed a helix for me on my sled, when he did it he must have been using a torch to heat up loctite on screws, he melted two of my rollers on the sides, so they were disfigured i didnt even look at it till i got it home.... after several conversations with him, i decided i was done with your shop.

im not picky
and im very easily pleased
i spend money on this sport and support it in many ways.
im glad you support all the local clubs as well,and i know you do!!!
i know their is plenty of consumers that are very pleased with your service, i was one of them.


but to be honest,, your mechanic will keep me away from your store as long as he is their. my experience with him has been terrible...

this, over a stupid $2 primary clutch bolt that i would have paid $10 for that day....


Mark Leseberg
 
Mark,

Thanks for the honest feedback. As they say, "you don't know what you don't know" and I was not aware of the situation of which you speak but will definitely use it as an opportunity for follow up and future improvement. Certainly would have pulled a clutch bolt for you.

Sorry you didn't seek a "2nd opinion" from Randy or myself but if I can be of service again sometime, you know where I live.

Again my apologies and hope to see you at a meeting or at the Sno Park one of these days?

BTW. I'd like your feedback on the 1100T and what you've done to it but feel free to private message so the thread can die a slow death?

Dave
 
Dave,

i am confident had you been their that day you would have insisted on pulling the bolt from one of the sleds on the floor. i am sure of it. in fact i think i remeber telling him to call you.
however, i think stu should have not have even blinked an eye on this request, and im sure he has a beef with me..why??? not sure, maybe because i thought him trying to get me to purchase a NOS kit for my sled was a joke and not what i wanted, maybe because i can see through his BS,, what else could it have been.

i am sorry this has gone public and again,

for what its worth to the people of snowest,,,

i think you are a asset to the snowmobiling community and i think you run a great dealership in many ways, but i will and always will believe that your mechanic is a fool. im sorry but that is how i feel.

now i agree let this thread die a slow death,

as far as the 1100t

i think it is the best stock sled ive ever rode,
its a touch heavy, and that will scare most away, but anyone that gets on it and rides it for a couple hours will not be able to deny the chassis is nimble, the motor pulls like a freight train, the new track may be the biggest improvement but it is going up stuff with less than 100 miles on it that my rg m8 running 10lbs would have struggled with, the bottom end response is incredible, my biggest dissappointment would be from the skis, which i will change maybe some ds skis or even some polaris skis...i rode in 3' of pow yesterday and my cheeks are hurting today from the grin i had all day yesterday.

i rode with 4 guys
1-09 m8
2-12 pro rmk
1-10 xp

they were all tired before i was, not sure why, maybe i work out more, but i am older than all of them!
i own a '12 pro rmk and loved it, i even sold my 12 proclimb800 this year to buy a xm, then at last minute decided to buy the 1100t, i am so glad i did, this sled is just going to get better and better...
honestly i dont even want to ride the pro rmk any more...

i have a bunch of stuff planned for the 1100t
i cant even imagine this thing with -40lbs and +40hp

i am a believer in the 1100t now, and i honestly never thought i would like it this much...
 
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