Wanted, '13 Pro rolling chassis.

[INDEEP]

You would be better off finding a '11 or '12 adding the belt drive and changing the boards. You wouldn't have the same cross member. But hey, if you put in the legendary suzuki motor then it doesn't matter what weight you have. It will never blow up, last 5 million miles and power the Pro over Everest!

I don't know about 5 million miles but you should be able to blow through that 1800 mile glass ceiling Polaris has in place.
Good luck Wyo. I'll wait and see if the changes in 13 do a thing for longevity.

 

[backcountryislife]

Brad is at 6,000 and above...and your HP isnt going to drop but maybe 10-20hp depending on supporting mods.

You are delusional.


Quite seriously... you need to read up on how altitude affects horsepower.

I live here, I'm not dancing with some theoretical hopes & dreams, I deal with it DAILY, from sleds to cars to trucks, jeeps...

Nobody claims HP at their altitude, as that would be a disrespect to their product, since everyone else uses standard corrected numbers,

BUT...

Let's say he did, just for fun, cause I like fun stuff.

So, at the top of the climb about 8 miles from my house, you'd then be at 175 hp... which is what a PUMP GAS turbo dyno'd at, at elevation, 5 years ago. And I know Wyo isn't going to put in a PG setup, neither would I.

Add a head, or whatever mods you think would get you to that "only 10-20 HP down" and you'll gain maybe 10-15 hp of that back... MAYBE.

but, since that was just for fun... the reality puts you back at less than 160 hp, max up at my altitude.

There's a reason so many of us ride boosted machines around here... they just make up for what we lose otherwise. You still lose some with boost compared to down low... but not even in the same realm as N/A.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

Here is the idea. sell the poo engine, harness, pipe, fuel system, (keep tank) maybe a few other things. prob worth $5000. I can nearly buy a used M8 for that but I think I can get the new parts for close to the same amount. So the cost is in the swap. Even if it cost another $4000 added to the 12000 thats $16000 all together. I bet I couldn't build enough of them to keep one for myself even without a waranty. Anyone want to give me the money to get started, I'll do the first one for cost.

Just look at the BDX thread in the cat forum and it still wont handle like a pro, I guaranty it. This is almost more for fun and to prove it than anything. If I had the money I would build a near completely aftermarket sled or keep a few spare poo engines laying around. The poo engine is just to iffy. The cat is predictable and easily tuned with the biggest HP gains.

 

[AndrettiDog]

So are you thinking a 2010 up 800HO? I'm not familiar enough with what changes in that motor from the M to the Pro Climb.

I know the Suzuki is a great motor but I still think that the stock motor with the long rod conversion and either BB or turbo'd on top would be a better use of money. I wonder how reliable that Suzuki motor will be in the Pro chassis. The motor is reliable but what about all the mods you have to make for this to work? Anyway, do it, so many keep talking about it.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

Considering I talk to Brad mulitple times about the 1100 and about 10mins ago, just to make sure I wasnt putting my foot in my mouth (because I am interested in the engine for myself). Throw on a vipec with mapping capable of elevation compensation add 3% up or down...gain 90% of that power loss back

He said 220 at 5,000 where CPI is located, who makes the pipes for the 1100.

Brad also said it would take a 8-10lb boosted sled to keep up with the 1100 and that has been proven, I promise you that. Brad is about the most stand up guy there is to talk to and will explain everything in very good detail if you want to give him a call.

I think the guy who built the engine will know more than you...

say what you want I can build it for half the price of the motor. I have ran against true 200hp at 5000k sleds at 10000ft and 6lbs will beat them, not at first but that last incline or little bit more of a sidehill a NA at 10000ft will not pull with even a pg turbo (I'm talking a cat turbo not a poo turbo) which I have beat Turbo dragons with a mod m1000 so maybe you should condsider the diff in a cat and poo being turbo'd. To add the Cat is so easy to tune its not funny. If brad was smart he would have built his motor like the laydown.

I simply don't want a poo designed engine, I'm not a cat loyalist or anything its the simple fact of how the laydown suzuki engine is built. Ask any big time performance shop that is not bias and they will tell you the SUZ is one of a kind and very efficient in the design of air flow.

Like I said its what I want, you wont convince me otherwise unless the price is right, and its about 5g's shy of being right.

 

[INDEEP]

Considering I talk to Brad mulitple times about the 1100 and about 10mins ago, just to make sure I wasnt putting my foot in my mouth (because I am interested in the engine for myself). Throw on a vipec with mapping capable of elevation compensation add 3% up or down...gain 90% of that power loss back

He said 220 at 5,000 where CPI is located, who m
akes the pipes for the 1100.

Brad also said it would take a 8-10lb boosted sled to keep up with the 1100 and that has been proven, I promise you that. Brad is about the most stand up guy there is to talk to and will explain everything in very good detail if you want to give him a call.

I think the guy who built the engine will know more than you...

Man that Vipec is amazing!

 

[backcountryislife]

Considering I talk to Brad mulitple times about the 1100 and about 10mins ago, just to make sure I wasnt putting my foot in my mouth (because I am interested in the engine for myself). Throw on a vipec with mapping capable of elevation compensation add 3% up or down...gain 90% of that power loss back

He said 220 at 5,000 where CPI is located, who makes the pipes for the 1100.

Brad also said it would take a 8-10lb boosted sled to keep up with the 1100 and that has been proven, I promise you that. Brad is about the most stand up guy there is to talk to and will explain everything in very good detail if you want to give him a call.

I think the guy who built the engine will know more than you...

Around her it takes 8-9 lbs to beat a strong m1000, so that sounds about right. We run 10 on pump these days, and I run 12-14 most days.. I'd bet he does better than an 8-9 lb sled aside from maybe on a big climb.

The idea that the ecu gets 90% of that power back though is some great fairy dust... the laws of physics pause for the poo forum . Stock ecu's compe sate for elevation too... they can't magically create HP that doesn't exist though.

C'mon now man, you KNOW that's BS, right? I KNOW he knows more than me, but I know simple physics and reality.

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[WyoBoy1000]

I didnt say by adding fuel you gain HP. Its a combination of timing and fuel delivery.

Ive talked to a few people using the Vipec and they all agree, the engines are capable of making the same power from 1000-10k. Turbo or NA.

All I can say is call one of them and get the details...Jake @ Mild to Wild would be a great one to start.

OK, put the pipe down and step away. I would taze your arse but I'm not sure you have enough smarts to be effected.

Its pretty simple man AIR + GAS (with spark) = HP.
The Vipec does not add air unless it has some quantum physics level of bad azz you can't see. Thanks for ruining my thread. LMAO.

I never said brad was dumb either, I'm very impressed with what he has done. It's not my style.

Have you ever rode a turbo, (a real one ie m8)

 

[WyoBoy1000]

Some of you need to understand the def. of hard. For me this is not. I run a small, body shop, mech shop, custom, fab, what ever I do it, and built on word of mouth since I was kid. I may not be the best at all of that and my resources are limited but I do quality work and stand behind it.
Back to my question

Whats the parts worth?

 

[backcountryislife]

I didnt say by adding fuel you gain HP. Its a combination of timing and fuel delivery.

Ive talked to a few people using the Vipec and they all agree, the engines are capable of making the same power from 1000-10k. Turbo or NA.

All I can say is call one of them and get the details...Jake @ Mild to Wild would be a great one to start.

Delusions... BIG TIME.

Not trying to laugh at you... but someone is selling you a bridge.

You can add timing at altitude... some of us do, it helps... but it doesn't get back the power lost by altitude.

An ecu can NOT make up for loss of air density. It just can't.

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[edavis0202]

OK, put the pipe down and step away. I would taze your arse but I'm not sure you have enough smarts to be effected.

Its pretty simple man AIR + GAS (with spark) = HP.
The Vipec does not add air unless it has some quantum physics level of bad azz you can't see. Thanks for ruining my thread. LMAO.

I never said brad was dumb either, I'm very impressed with what he has done. It's not my style.

Have you ever rode a turbo, (a real one ie m8)

Wow, didnt know we were going there...my engineering degree says Im "smat" and then again I get my info from the people who work with the product.

Yea, Ive road a "real" turbo...what was funny was when my buddys M1000 beat him up Sh!t house at the snowys...maybe it was clutching...


If you dont want to believe me, thats fine...call someone who deals with them or wait and see them on the snow.

I will delete my post so you're not upset about it...okie?

 

[bootz1981]

im probably goin to sound dumb but what the hell

a rule of thumb is that for every 1000 ft of elevation you would loose 3% of your hp due to lack of oxygen, i heard that some where i thought, could be wrong but lets go with it. if thats true how the hell would timing or fuel or what ever a vipec could/would do, make up for a oxygen deficiency. i get how a tubo helps to make more power and elevation loss is less ie put more air in, but how would timing, fuel, spark make a more powerful burn to keep hp level at altitude with out one of the main ingredients

 

[edavis0202]

I didn't say it would make power that wasn't there. But it will compensate for some of the power loss.

If you haven't talked to a builder using one, then don't comment on something you haven't discussed the capability of.

I suggest everyone to call someone who deals with the Vipec to understand all the benefits of this product.

 

[Snodawg]

Some of you need to understand the def. of hard. For me this is not. I run a small, body shop, mech shop, custom, fab, what ever I do it, and built on word of mouth since I was kid. I may not be the best at all of that and my resources are limited but I do quality work and stand behind it.
Back to my question

Whats the parts worth?

FYI: PAR has a Brand New 2012 Pro 800 motor on their website for $4500
http://www.poweraddictionracing.com/product_info.php?products_id=99

 

[backcountryislife]

Wow, didnt know we were going there...my engineering degree says Im "smat" and then again I get my info from the people who work with the product.

Yea, Ive road a "real" turbo...what was funny was when my buddys M1000 beat him up Sh!t house at the snowys...maybe it was clutching...


If you dont want to believe me, thats fine...call someone who deals with them or wait and see them on the snow.

I will delete my post so you're not upset about it...okie?

It's not a matter of calling you dumb, or not believing you... it's just not true. If I were to "call" you anything, it would be a tad gullible for believing something that's false, or perhaps you're just misunderstanding what someone is saying.

If it were possible... they would be selling in DROVES, but reality is, it's not. You can gain it back by compressing air, which creates some parasitic losses of it's own as you try to recover more & more HP due to elevation loss, but without that you simply can't do it.

The 3% figure is a good benchmark, some can be gained back with compression & SOME with timing, but nowhere NEAR what you're claiming, or someone is telling you.

Come on poo guys, are you really gonna make the two cat guys look like the mean kids because we're telling how reality works? Bootz can't be the only other person in the forum that understands this?

 

[edavis0202]

Again, sorry for ruining your thread and I hope to see it progress.

Please keep us updated and I will keep my mouth shut, deal?

 

[roni87]

Come on poo guys, are you really gonna make the two cat guys look like the mean kids because we're telling how reality works? Bootz can't be the only other person in the forum that understands this?

Relate it to your lungs at elevation. It's easy breathing at sea level but start digging out your sled at 10k up and your sucking wind fast. Exercising will help but you can't overcome the lesser amount of air psi as you go up.

 

[bootz1981]

dont get me wrong, i wana see this happen also, love the suki and the pro hope it works as good as it sounds

 

[backcountryislife]

I'm waiting for him to make a kit... so that I can finally buy a pro for my own sled.

 

[glassman]

I too have owned a TM8 and it was the coolest sled to ride and never left me stranded. I ride a PRO now and have more fun than I have ever had. I dont climb as fast and high as the TM8, but I can take the pro into places I wouldnt consider with the turbo too. I think the concept of putting this mill into the Pro chasis is very likely gonna happen by some gearhead, and WYO will likely be one of the first. That being said, If you want boost, with agility and ability, then this combination would be the bomb.
For my riding elevation and style the PAR910 would likely be my answer to most of the issues.