Wakeboard/surf boat

[slednutz]

Got it at Dave's Marine in Webster and have nothing but good things to say. I have heard MN Inboard is a great dealer but we are on Lake Poinsett and after driving to the cities to look at Supra and Mastercrafts we realized that having a quality dealer 70 miles away was more important. I went with the T-23 because of the size (we have seated 13 comfortably, and because of the surf wave it makes when you add alot of weight. I have 1100 bags in the rear lockers and a 750 in the bow, and we usually shift people around so that it planes out, but the wave is massive. One of the other selling points for us on the axis was the 5 year warranty which was on the 2016's and not the 2015's. We also went with the Traditional bow vs the A-series because we are on the Northwest Corner of the lake and it gets pretty rough and the Traditional Bow's handle the waves better to get across the lake.

 

[Reeb]

I'm in love with this BadBoy. The wife gives me death stares every time she hears or sees me thinking about it.

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[Mafesto]

I need to do more reading about Pavati, I'm honestly very uneducated about them.
It sure seems like a lot of money for an aluminum boat.

 

[Spaarky]

$200,000 is a lot for any boat. Sleds, boats, they are all hard to justify. A $200,000 check, it better be for a piece of equipment that is making me money.

 

[NorthMNSledder]

I'm in love with this BadBoy. The wife gives me death stares every time she hears or sees me thinking about it.

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Money discussion aside.....That is killer looking!

 

[Scott]

The Pavatis are 200?


OUCH!!!

 

[black z]

We don't do very many larger than 22'
I,m sure price has a lot to do with it, but a question to those who have surfed behind the 24's & 25's...
Let's say we're comparing the wake of two boats, a 20 & a 25.
These will be equipped with all of the factory ballasts in addition to optional phat sacks and 2 passengers in each boat.
My concern is the additional buoyancy of the larger boat has to affect wake quality without additional load.
Is there any validity to my theory? or am I full of crap?
If I'm correct, and you have to increase ballasts as boat size increases, it is obvious that fuel consumption will also follow that curve. Correct?

In my experience, it has been more about where the weight is, and the depth of water. I used to surf and wake all the time behind a 24' Supra with ~3000 lbs of ballast, before that was a 22' Supra. The 24' wouldn't throw a proper wake if it wasn't in over 10' of water and the 22' would be dialed in shallower. In deep water I couldn't tell a difference between the boats. Now I ride behind a newer MC or Malibu, I like the malibu better.

 

[Mafesto]

Now I ride behind a newer MC or Malibu, I like the malibu better.

Atta Boy!

 

[Spaarky]

Money discussion aside.....That is killer looking!

I can say Amen to that. Check out their webpage. Those are some NAUGHTY looking boats.

 

[Spaarky]

I must be missing something. Why the aluminum boat If your going to pack it full of thousands of pounds of ballast?

 

[Reeb]

Absolutely out to lunch on their pricing for sure.
As for aluminum, because they can?


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[Mafesto]

Lund sells aluminum as well as fiberglass fishing boats.
The fiberglass is more expensive on similar size & features for one simple reason....it is more expensive to manufacture.


Lund & Crestliner aluminum fishing boats are built in the same plant.
The Lund is riveted and the Crestliner is full welded.
The riveted is more expensive, again because it is more expensive to manufacture.


Now with that said, those examples may have nothing that transfers to comparing Alum & Glass Tow Boats.
But I would definitely need to understand why an unknown alum boat would be priced above top brands like Malibu or Mastercraft before I would ever consider purchasing one.


The big unknown....how will it resale in 5 or 10 years compared to the big M's?


But I agree, they look badazz!

 

[Reeb]

I think it has more to do with aluminum jetboats going for 100k all day long and some single engine jets going for 120+ sometimes. Add the extras that are needed for a tow/wake boat and they probably justified it there.
Truthfully tho, I have no idea. But it looks fun!


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[Mafesto]

My point is that fiberglass certainly has advantages over aluminum.
They need to point out any possible advantage of aluminum over fiberglass to become more than a niche market.

 

[Reeb]

Well the fact that aluminum boats have a much longer life than fiberglass boats is one big advantage. From the dash to the flooring, hull, etc. I think they are trying to market a boat that will last well beyond what a fiberglass one will.

From reading the website a little, they have some pretty cool tech features and like all aluminum boats, fully customizable in pretty much every way. If this was the last wake boat I ever planned on buying(And it would have to be to justify the price) I'd take a long hard look at one.

Just the fact you can beach this boat is huge for where I'd be using it, and it's cool how it's probably the lightest 24' out there, but with the ballast can easily turn into the heaviest. The extra storage and options are pretty cool too.

Still, not in my realm in any forseeable future. A lottery win could change that but I'm not banking on that either.

 

[Snowmow]

Well the fact that aluminum boats have a much longer life than fiberglass boats is one big advantage. From the dash to the flooring, hull, etc. I think they are trying to market a boat that will last well beyond what a fiberglass one will.

From reading the website a little, they have some pretty cool tech features and like all aluminum boats, fully customizable in pretty much every way. If this was the last wake boat I ever planned on buying(And it would have to be to justify the price) I'd take a long hard look at one.

Just the fact you can beach this boat is huge for where I'd be using it, and it's cool how it's probably the lightest 24' out there, but with the ballast can easily turn into the heaviest. The extra storage and options are pretty cool too.

Still, not in my realm in any forseeable future. A lottery win could change that but I'm not banking on that either.

I personally wouldn't ever buy anything but aluminum. Just for the durability factor alone. But I also wouldn't even buy a boat just for skiing/wakeboarding. It would be capable of towing a guy but by no means would the boat be purpose built for just
that.

 

[Mafesto]

Just for the sake of debate I will comment on a couple of your points.....

Well the fact that aluminum boats have a much longer life than fiberglass boats is one big advantage. From the dash to the flooring, hull, etc. I think they are trying to market a boat that will last well beyond what a fiberglass one will.
I've never seen a boats life cut short do to fiberglass construction. I am not sure it lasts as long as aluminum, but I do know it will outlive all of the other components in the boat.
Seats, decks etc with wood bases will decay with neglect over time, and these are items both boats would share.

From reading the website a little, they have some pretty cool tech features and like all aluminum boats, fully customizable in pretty much every way. If this was the last wake boat I ever planned on buying(And it would have to be to justify the price) I'd take a long hard look at one.

Just the fact you can beach this boat is huge for where I'd be using it,
I would never be comfortable beaching an inboard. The tracking fin and drive shaft are very vulnerable. Bad idea.

and it's cool how it's probably the lightest 24' out there, but with the ballast can easily turn into the heaviest. The extra storage and options are pretty cool too.
Fair point.

Still, not in my realm in any forseeable future. A lottery win could change that but I'm not banking on that either.

In general, a fiberglass boat rides smoother, quieter and drier.
But I do love the thinking outside the box that will likely provide some new features to the sport!

 

[Reeb]

Valid, and like I mentioned before, different areas require different features.

For example, we don't have sandy beaches. They are rocks, not pebbles, but rocks. Fiberglass doesn't last long if you come remotely close to the beach. Which means, you either have a aluminum boat and park within 50ft of a dry spot, or you have fiberglass and park 100ft out to avoid the shallows. I know what you're saying about the driveline, but around here you just can't help the rocks. It's part of boating up here in N.Alberta.

We just have some real ****ty rivers and only a few big lakes(although the lakes are 2-3hrs away)

As for the wooden aspect, it looks like nothing on a Pavati is wood. The upholestry is definitely a wear item and for a huge pricetag I'd be assuming quality is second to none. Take a 25 year old Mariah for example versus a Bayliner. Huge difference in quality there alone. Some real good quality seats are made with a poly backing instead of wood nowadays.

As for the previous comment above Mafesto's, I own different boats for different days. The family boat, the speedboat, the hunting boat. Kinda like my sleds, not one will do everything I want it to do.

 

[Spaarky]

Can anyone answer the pickle fork vs V debate. I have gotten about a 1,000 different answers.

 

[Mafesto]

Had the opportunity to visit with a Pavati dealer this morning.
I asked him this....
"If you sell a $200,000 Pavati and in 3 years the owner wants to trade into a new one, what do you think you can re-sell the first one for?"
He responded that he does not take trade ins!


So how would you like it if the selling dealer wouldn't even take the boat he sold you back on trade? How the F does that work?


Probably a good thing to clarify before any major purchase. It doesn't matter how good the price is, if they won't take it back on trade, why would you even consider buying there?


I guess I just assumed any reputable dealer would take trades.