Two more prime examples

[Tmann]

Here are two more prime examples of the CC skiers not obeying the rules or thinking they are above em. As I was taking the pics a second subaru parked next to the jeep. I showed her the sign in the turn around and she understood.. She then pulled right up to the back of a sled trailer and was waived on so to not block the loading process. How can we get these people to understand basic common sense?

 

[xpspenziv]

leave a post it inside each tire stateing the rules to common sence.or park right behind that back door of the subaru so it wont open.

come on man that's common sence.

 

[xpspenziv]

if your referring to GC don't they have a bulletin board at the entrance to the snow park?

 

[Summertime Blues]

OH...I thought there was no parking in the turn around so that there was room for the click clacks to park as close to the trailhead as possible. And really I do not see a problem with the Suburu pulling right up to the back of the trailer. They were probably thinking they were helping the load up process. Suburus are excellent traction. they would probably be a little disappointed at the carbide marks over the roof but it would learn em....kidding only kidding

 

[ruffryder]

How can we get these people to understand basic common sense?

By having a polite conversation with them.

 

[JETJOHNSO]

take a picture with the sign in the back ground

If you take a picture and send it to the forest service in cle elum, they can elect to send them a ticket, they actually like handing out tickets to the click clicks, Or you can call the sherrif office and report the violation. It's better to educate them than fight with them. I did have a skier pull right up to my back door of my trailer last year at GC, I left them a nices / semi nasty note saying that next time they did this I will remove all 4 valve cores on their tires. have some courtesy I told them.

 

[diamonddave]

By having a polite conversation with them.

Common sense can be taught by a polite conversation?

I guess I don't have a problem with someone pulling right up behind me. All I have to doo is pull forward. I guess my understanding of this comes from how crowded our areas get and how parking is at a premium. Sometimes more rigs could park if we weren't expected to leave a mile of room between each rig without fear of retaliation.

 

[ruffryder]

Common sense can be taught by a polite conversation?

You know, I think it is a big assumption to think that the parking and loading / unloading habits of snowmobilers is common sense.

I guess I don't have a problem with someone pulling right up behind me. All I have to doo is pull forward. I guess my understanding of this comes from how crowded our areas get and how parking is at a premium. Sometimes more rigs could park if we weren't expected to leave a mile of room between each rig without fear of retaliation.

Good point. I have seen people leaving way too much space between vehicles and or trailers.

 

[BigRed118]

That is true. 2 years ago I had Subaru's park in front of me and behind me at GC. No room to move. The occupants of the car behind me came back while I was changing clothes. He was polite, the wife was not. She said we should have a sign about the doors on our trailers. I asked her if there were signs at Green Lake saying no snowmobiling, she didnt like that.

 

[snojunkee]

find your own trail to ski

pretty much a waste of time trying to educate the click clacks. they ski on our trails, park in our parking lots, let their dogs run with no leash. a bunch of leaf licking jack wagons with no respect.

 

[mkcj]

Last year at the end of the season in Winthrop we parked at the cub creek area which is a dual use spot they have a parking lot at the old farm house for skiers and the sleds get the road when we got there a about 9 there were 2 cars in the farm area and 18 on the road we got the only spot for a truck and trailer. As we were unloading 2 skiers next to us were getting ready with there 2 dogs as they left they told us to watch out for there dogs when we headed out as we both share the road for a few hundred yards My response to them was as long as your dogs are on a leash they will be fine but if there running around in the road there's no guarantee's! That pissed them off. Oh and I found out later in the season they can park on the road and not need a pass but in the lot they do cheap &^%$&*

 

[winter brew]

By having a polite conversation with them.

That's tough to do when your up riding and they park on your trailer bumper.....and another in front. Have had that happen a few times.
This is why I don't park at GC whenever possible, that place is a parking nightmare on a busy weekend.

 

[ruffryder]

That's tough to do when your up riding and they park on your trailer bumper.....and another in front. Have had that happen a few times.
This is why I don't park at GC whenever possible, that place is a parking nightmare on a busy weekend.

Sounds like there was too much room in front of you and behind you, so they used it. Parking closer to the vehicle in front of you might help with the problem.. Just a thought.

 

[greatone]

If it is a enclosed trailer you could just load the subaru inside . Chances are you will still be riding and they will be gone ...

 

[winter brew]

Sounds like there was too much room in front of you and behind you, so they used it. Parking closer to the vehicle in front of you might help with the problem.. Just a thought.

Ummm.....no.
If we did that, the person in front can't load...that's why we leave that room About 20-25 feet between enclosed trailers is needed. Ramp is 6+ft, sleds are 12ft, and a little weasel room to get the sled to the ramp and hopefully not shoot gravel all over the VW that squeezed in there . Sounds like you havn't been sledding in a while?

 

[ruffryder]

Ummm.....no.
If we did that, the person in front can't load...that's why we leave that room About 20-25 feet between enclosed trailers is needed. Ramp is 6+ft, sleds are 12ft, and a little weasel room to get the sled to the ramp and hopefully not shoot gravel all over the VW that squeezed in there . Sounds like you havn't been sledding in a while?

I am not trying argue the convenience of what you are doing, but I would imagine there are some skiers that think "those snowmobilers always leave a lot of room between their vehicles, we can always park there.." Leaving a lot of space between the vehicles enables that type of thinking.

You could always start the vehicle up and move it into a more ideal location, or angle the truck so that the loading zone is on the road, or pull it up forward, or....

I think there are many ways around this besides leaving a parking spot for small vehicles behind the trailer or in front of the truck, then complaining about people parking in there.

 

[winter brew]

I am not trying argue the convenience of what you are doing, but I would imagine there are some skiers that think "those snowmobilers always leave a lot of room between their vehicles, we can always park their.." Leaving a lot of space between the vehicles enables that type of thinking.

You could always start the vehicle up and move it into a more ideal location, or angle the truck so that the loading zone is on the road, or pull it up forward, or....

I think there are many ways around this besides leaving a parking spot for small vehicles behind the trailer or in front of the truck, then complaining about people parking in there.

That brings us back around to that "common sense" thing (or lack thereof) that started this thread There is a big door that opens. Do we park close to doors? Or is it courteous to leave other people room to get into their vehicles?

 

[ruffryder]

That brings us back around to that "common sense" thing (or lack thereof) that started this thread There is a big door that opens. Do we park close to doors? Or is it courteous to leave other people room to get into their vehicles?

I bet the skiers think it is courteous of snowmobilers to leave them skier only parking spots between their vehicles?

 

[diamonddave]

You know, I think it is a big assumption to think that the parking and loading / unloading habits of snowmobilers is common sense.

My comment was meant to be generalized...."Common Sense"

 

[no_uh]

We all know that common sense is not something that is found in abundance at GC. Everybody, motorized or not, is in a rush because they are super pumped to hit the mountains. However, most people will act reasonably if you inform them about the parking. For the fringe that doesn't, walk away and call the ranger/police. Just do everyone a favor and go into each situation open minded.

It's usually not that hard to be polite with others who use the trails. It goes a long ways. Obviously, in a perfect world, the xc skiers and snowshoers would stick to non-motorized trails, but the world ain't perfect. There is always going to be the lunatic fringe on both sides- the skiers who hate motors no matter what, and the sledders who can't stand the granolas no matter what, but try to take the high road.