TURBO EXCHANGE

[kraut]

I bought a 1100 and was thinking of doing a switch from stock turbo to a BD 2860 or 2871. I have Helix,weights ,springs ,260-280 hp Hi jacker box.So would all I need is turbo and replace HJacker for fuel control box? Boondocker has a kit for 2700.00 just wondering if I could cut a few corners ?
THANKS for any input

 

[Turbo11T]

You can supposedly do it with the hyjacker box as you can use the advanced settings to get the fueling right. That being said why reinvent the wheel. The guys at evo have a remap with a compressor side turbo upgrade. By the time you buy the garrett your further ahead to just buy a kit that is setup to work. That being said I would go with evo. Though d&d just came up with a stock turbo upgrade as well. I do not know much about that one other than the fact that it has not been tested at high elevations like the evo big chute has.

 

[madmax]

You could do it. It would be a lot of work and a ton of testing. Probably would never get near as much out of it than if you just bought a tried, tested and perfected kit. There are so many more parameters to adjust to make it run optimally that what the BD box do.

If you use 'cut a few corners' and turbo in the same post, you are absolutely in for a big and costly learning curve.

 

[Turbo11T]

You could do it. It would be a lot of work and a ton of testing. Probably would never get near as much out of it than if you just bought a tried, tested and perfected kit. There are so many more parameters to adjust to make it run optimally that what the BD box do.

If you use 'cut a few corners' and turbo in the same post, you are absolutely in for a big and costly learning curve.

Agreed.

 

[Sage Crusher]

And the results you will have is
"I should have just done it right in the first place"

 

[Hillclimbpro]

There was a guy on here last year with the "general lee" build and he replaced his stock huffer with an after market one and I think was using the boondocker box. I don't think he had much luck and said it was alot of money wasted. Your better off to go with something that has been tested and proven.

 

[kraut]

Are guys getting the results with the highjacker box ? 260-280 hp?

 

[10003514]

Stock turbo and highjacker only good for 220hp at elevation

 

[kraut]

Speedwerx came out with a pipe and a reflash that kicks out 294hp for the Z1.Thats actually the sled I have with a 162" I bought the sled with the goodies but they were never put on...250 miles on the sled.Can I expect mid to high 200 horse from the HIGH JACKER?

 

[kraut]

HMMMM.The box the High Jacker came in says 280 ,it's written on the box...Wishfull thinking?

 

[10003514]

Those hp numbers are what you would see at sea level but at elevation the stock turbo can't make anymore then 220hp, really all you would see no matter how much boost you crank the highjacker up to. The stock turbo is to small.

 

[kraut]

Thats why I wanted to put bigger turbo on,but by the sound of things its a big job with tuning ?

 

[10003514]

HMMMM.The box the High Jacker came in says 280 ,it's written on the box...Wishfull thinking?

In a sense its true can get those numbers but not in the mountains. Evo who strictly mountain testes has a reflash that is good for 215hp it be higher if the stock turbo would produce it but it doesn't.

 

[10003514]

Thats why I wanted to put bigger turbo on,but by the sound of things its a big job with tuning ?

The general lee sled with bigger turbo from last year did'nt run well from what I heard lots of tinkering. Evo has done the testing already and has a great kit out. If you want more then the highjacker box offers I'd sell the box and look into evo product

 

[Buz]

Thats why I wanted to put bigger turbo on,but by the sound of things its a big job with tuning ?

Talk to Glen or Dale at D & D, They can get you the answers you need to make a inform decision. With that said I believe the best route for us with the Hi jacker 2.0 is to keep our box and change the compressor. I can't comment on your older box. I don't know what adjustments you have. I actually see advantages of tunablity with the HJ 2.0. I don't see a big job tuning. I like the idea of being able to change my box. I plan on exchanging my turbo with D & D, but you could use EVO or others.
If you want pull on go buy EVO. If you like flexibility stay with the box you already paid for and change the turbo or compressor. Give it a couple of months and there will be more information to make a better decision. Good luck it’s going to be another fun year!

 

[Buz]

Sorry forgot to comment as far as a bigger turbo. Just be prepare for connecting rods,pistons injectors, pump ect. Keep it under 300hp with the stock turbo and you may only need a pump maybe injectors or stock depends where your riding and much your tuning up.

 

[akMcat]

I bought a 1100 and was thinking of doing a switch from stock turbo to a BD 2860 or 2871. I have Helix,weights ,springs ,260-280 hp Hi jacker box.So would all I need is turbo and replace HJacker for fuel control box? Boondocker has a kit for 2700.00 just wondering if I could cut a few corners ?
THANKS for any input

If you're willing to spend the $2700 why would you want to cobble together a kit. The Evo BC kit I thought was around 2700 plus a little more for all of their goodies that were designed and tested to work together.

 

[JustBoostIt]

Aftermarket turbo experience

I have the general lee sled. He is a customer and friend of mine. Here is the journey of heading out on a project of this magnitude on your own as he experienced it. Keep in mind he rides with a lot of well tuned Apex and Nitro turbo's. This is not a bash, this is for information purposes. This is first hand experience.

- bought a z1 ext we had made into our demo with a 162", with a d&d 300hp kit. 2871, Intercooler, injector in the new charge tube, header, exhaust, bd box. Full kit, fully installed. Ripped like hell around here (mountains were good, not boosted Yami standards thou) so decided to trade in for a new proclimb 1100.
- took d&d kit off and wanted to put on the new one
- took sled and kit to a highly reputable custom turbo shop
- after building a header and exhaust from stratch to mount the 2871 they could not get it to make more boost than the ecu is programmed to see. They were using a 2.0 box. After months of playing and trying different things he was left with a really strong running 220hp sled that doesn't heat soak the turbo. Very pricey experiment.

Currently it is being uninstalled and a bc275 kit is going on. Patience would have been a priceless virtue in this case. The motor is good to 300 with studs and stock injectors, just need the bigger fuel pump after 250. The issue is guys trying to overcome a software problem with mechanical solutions at this point....being able to manage that in the ecu is the key.

This is not a shameless plug, I don't need to plug anything at this point. I would like to save someone the road Stangstretch went down last year. Feel free to pm him or me. I now also have a fully done 2871 proclimb kit for those that want to give it a try lol. The kicker for almost all guys is proven performance. Evo was on snow all last year. Testing, tuning, and riding was done last winter for the BC kits. They are the only ones that can say that. Will there be other kits out at some point, for sure....at some point.

 

[b1dodge]

There are several points addressed in the factory ECU that a piggyback system simply cannot do. Ignition timing being the one thing everyone seems to forget about. Starting with our 215 ECU we are building the additional HP NOT by simply increasing the boost. There is a 2 pound increase over the stock map. All other power is gain elsewhere in the ECU tune. Most every parameter in the ECU is changed from the factory settings to optimize power and how it is delivered to the track. Every stage from the 215 to the BC and SC290 the ECU has a specific map to match the boost map and flow Characteristics of that turbo. A piggyback type box cant do this. As already stated, save yourself the trouble and install a plug and play system that has hundreds of hours of testing.

 

[Buz]

I was under the impression that the extra boost was coming from the new compressor design? What I’m hearing is there is some safe guard in the software of the ECU, that doesn’t allow more boost or fuel from a piggy back? That you didn’t have with your Z1?
My simple mind tells me if I have the hi jacker set at say 20 PSI that the new efficient design of the compressor would give me say 24 psi? I would think stock timing parameters would be fine.
My original thought process was
1. Keep the Hi jacker
2. Upgrade the turbo
3. Upgrade the ECU when adjustable version is available
What I’m hearing this is not possible to build more boost with a piggy back system? My only complaint with the EVO system is its non adjustable. As you stated “Patience would have been a priceless virtue in this case” Until adjustable system is available I will keep learning until something is available.