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You basically plumb the two shocks together and put a valve in between them. When you want to sidehill you open the valve so the shocks can transfer air to one another.
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You basically plumb the two shocks together and put a valve in between them. When you want to sidehill you open the valve so the shocks can transfer air to one another.
That's why so many sled dealers also sell boats!
I mentioned in my above post that I like to tinker and Jaynelson said the same thing. I do my tinkering in the off season and after having a turbo sled, I don't do too much motor tinkering. (I never had any problems with it running, just a way to throw away a bunch of money.) That is the great thing about the stock sleds now, they are all very capable sleds. They can take us into places we could have never gone 10 or 15 years ago. When the snow starts to fly I like to be able to load up and go at a moments notice. When the snow is flying I just want to blow out the clutches, grease the skid, check the belt, gas and oil. Do all the other stuff in the off season. Winters haven't been that great the last couple of years so I hate to miss a weekend.
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geo
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For sure today's sleds leave much more time for "just riding" than in the past. I think they have evolved to the point where they are off-the-floor better than 90% of the riders.
Dirt bikes got there in the early 90's, but improvements that were noticeable continued to come out from the OEMs.
Modding your toys is a form of art IMO. It's good and satisfying to express that side of yourself (my excuse away lol).
I've seen a white canvas with a red dot in the middle be valued at $1,000,000.00 in one form of art. So, a couple of bucks thrown away on your own form of art is not all that bad. Eh!
Dirt bikes got there in the early 90's, but improvements that were noticeable continued to come out from the OEMs.
Modding your toys is a form of art IMO. It's good and satisfying to express that side of yourself (my excuse away lol).
I've seen a white canvas with a red dot in the middle be valued at $1,000,000.00 in one form of art. So, a couple of bucks thrown away on your own form of art is not all that bad. Eh!
Team clutch and Team Tied clutch are a huge fad and they don't come close to working properly. They wear out in about 200 miles, the bearings/bushings are 50 cents items, if that, but that's all the the info i'm giving. They don't pay me to do their R&D. !!! Funny thing is how they sell you a buttload of helix's and springs that will never ever work even for the few who know how to tune a clutch. This scam has been going on for over 10 years now and they are on well over 100,000 Polaris sleds.
Then Arctic Cat somewhat copies(without violating the patent) the design idea from Team.
Now both manufacturers sleds heat and eat belts like crazy.
Kinda like copying the ford 6.0l power stroke diesel. Dumb idea.
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Then Arctic Cat somewhat copies(without violating the patent) the design idea from Team.
Now both manufacturers sleds heat and eat belts like crazy.
Kinda like copying the ford 6.0l power stroke diesel. Dumb idea.
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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geo
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Very true. And you have to include the QRS and earlier versions as well as the ACT. They came to be necessary with E-reverse so maybe not a fad just a mistake we have needed to live with.
One compression clutch, the Paragon, was different. Some are getting closer with the others too.
One compression clutch, the Paragon, was different. Some are getting closer with the others too.
I agree that it's more like a mistake(a huuuuge one!) that we have to live with.
There are other options like you said, but it's kinda like a secret society, special handshake type of thing to know what works. Nobody wants to give out that info, including me.
There are other options like you said, but it's kinda like a secret society, special handshake type of thing to know what works. Nobody wants to give out that info, including me.
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rmscustom
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What's with keeping it a secret??? Unless of course your selling the product or maybe racing.
I just want to say thank you to guys like Geo and TRS (there are more) that divulge any info and even answer PM's from stupid members (like me) with no selflessness
I totally agree with the original poster about trends/flavor of the month. I ride a stock 2012 Pro, so most of the time that I'm on this site I go to the Pro-Ride forum. I think it's funny how much time/money guys invest doing mods on their sleds to lose a little weight or get a slight gain in performance.
I get it, if I had a ton of extra cash and a sweet shop to work in I may be one of those guys. It seems that a lot of the guys on the Pro-Ride forum would be better off doing what Mountainhorse is doing and buy a sled that is a year, or two years old, and completely strip it down to nothing and rebuild it with the aftermarket parts to make it the way you want. It doesn't make any sense to me to buy a brand new $11-$13,000 sled and then take off the rear skid, add new shocks, new track, long rod engine, big bore, drop in kit, aftermarket belt drive, etc, etc. Do you keep all those expensive parts you took off, or do you sell them on e-bay?
I bet out of all the guys who do those mods, probably 1 in every 10 actually needs the extra power, better suspension, etc. I'm sure the rest of them do it just to brag about their "modded out" sled.
I get it, if I had a ton of extra cash and a sweet shop to work in I may be one of those guys. It seems that a lot of the guys on the Pro-Ride forum would be better off doing what Mountainhorse is doing and buy a sled that is a year, or two years old, and completely strip it down to nothing and rebuild it with the aftermarket parts to make it the way you want. It doesn't make any sense to me to buy a brand new $11-$13,000 sled and then take off the rear skid, add new shocks, new track, long rod engine, big bore, drop in kit, aftermarket belt drive, etc, etc. Do you keep all those expensive parts you took off, or do you sell them on e-bay?
I bet out of all the guys who do those mods, probably 1 in every 10 actually needs the extra power, better suspension, etc. I'm sure the rest of them do it just to brag about their "modded out" sled.
Speaking for myself alone, I long rodded my sled for the longevity benefits...because I plan on putting another 5,000 miles on it, and I absolutely trust the guy who did the work. Bragging rights isn't a thing I worry about anymore at my age. I just want a reliable runner, and I've got one.
Sledding's the reason winter's my season
tried a similar setup a few years ago on a 09 summit. sidehilled like a 4x8 piece of plywood so we installed a kit from fast . crossover air lines to dump from one side to the other or locked so they wouldnt .epic fail , if you did lose your edge and it tipped over the wrong way all the air would go to the uphill shock (least resistance) and it would tip over even further .the air lines wanted to leak when it was cold ,shrinkage i guess
, and then you would be on a mexican low rider . some of the new stuff works ,but not as much or as good as one would expect
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Haha, I have that book somewhere... Read it along time ago, probably retained about zero of it. Amazing a 25-30 year old book still rings true today.
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mike_s
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The part in red...this. The "engineers" have adopted the attitude of fixing bad clutching with a more expensive belt. I have friends pressing the 300 HP line using $40 belts...anyone wanna guess why? LOL!
no kidding. I set all my mod builds up to use yami belts. been the same forever... and guys getting 1000+ miles boosted to 250 hp + all day. and those are $60 new. hmmmm weird.
Yeah my T-Vec has about 7000km on it since the turbo was installed. I put on a new belt only because I feel sorry for it and they are so cheap. My spare is the one I got originally from the previous owner. Couple thousand miles ago. And it's still within spec(on the very outside, but still within)
meanwhile I don't try to get 700km out of a belt from my Cats or my Doo. Not because of failure, but because they are worn out by then. And we all know how much they cost.
meanwhile I don't try to get 700km out of a belt from my Cats or my Doo. Not because of failure, but because they are worn out by then. And we all know how much they cost.
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Drifter
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haha so true about #3
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geo
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Yamaha has stuck with what works. Isolated them from motor movement and rpm on some models. Hands down the best quality. Sliding half bushings, spider bushings, weight bushings, castings, are simply put, Japanese.
You can stick them on any brand if you want to try. Just don't use the R button on the 2 strokes.
Presently, the rest of the world is stuck with compression secondaries if you want them to work in both directions. Some people have made them work well and get good belt life. Sorry if you are not one of them.
If your Team has worn out the bushings in 200 miles it's not a common Team problem. I'm at 2700 miles on my Tied and have no plans on bushings or rollers for next season. A little play is not always a bad thing if designed right (ie. Team and old Cat reverse secondaries). Could be some problems with your sled like flexing shafts or plates and the vibrations they create. I experienced that once lol.
The Team is not my favourite clutch of all time but it's been one of the most durable for me. Tuning component cost and availability, and wanting to get into it in the field is the biggest problem. It was cheap and easy to add or subtract spring twist in the past but not the best answer sometimes so belt problems are nothing new.
The Aaen book is a little outdated IMO. It's not a book to get answers from or ever was. It is better looked at as a book to get method from. It get's referred to all the time. Kinda like a badge of courage but, how many people actually follow the instructions-method to get to an end result or understand the math and how to apply it.
DJ's site is more modern but again no answers just method. First you get all the mechanical stuff right. Then you go out and test, record, change, think, test, record, change, think, test,.... Pretty simple really. You just have to have the desire and time and money lol.
To say it can't be done with a Team or any compression secondary is just a bit whiny in my book. Or, your just stuck with a sled that has some other issues.
You can stick them on any brand if you want to try. Just don't use the R button on the 2 strokes.
Presently, the rest of the world is stuck with compression secondaries if you want them to work in both directions. Some people have made them work well and get good belt life. Sorry if you are not one of them.
If your Team has worn out the bushings in 200 miles it's not a common Team problem. I'm at 2700 miles on my Tied and have no plans on bushings or rollers for next season. A little play is not always a bad thing if designed right (ie. Team and old Cat reverse secondaries). Could be some problems with your sled like flexing shafts or plates and the vibrations they create. I experienced that once lol.
The Team is not my favourite clutch of all time but it's been one of the most durable for me. Tuning component cost and availability, and wanting to get into it in the field is the biggest problem. It was cheap and easy to add or subtract spring twist in the past but not the best answer sometimes so belt problems are nothing new.
The Aaen book is a little outdated IMO. It's not a book to get answers from or ever was. It is better looked at as a book to get method from. It get's referred to all the time. Kinda like a badge of courage but, how many people actually follow the instructions-method to get to an end result or understand the math and how to apply it.
DJ's site is more modern but again no answers just method. First you get all the mechanical stuff right. Then you go out and test, record, change, think, test, record, change, think, test,.... Pretty simple really. You just have to have the desire and time and money lol.
To say it can't be done with a Team or any compression secondary is just a bit whiny in my book. Or, your just stuck with a sled that has some other issues.
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