Toyota has to slow down!!!

[jsledder]

Nazicar at it's best....

Not a Toyota fan or anything, but hey, it's racing and as long as they are playing by the rules let 'em buck. Chevy's dominated for years and now they've got some competition and some people just don't like that.

What next? Make Kyle Bush put a block behind his gas pedal?

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR tried to even out the competition in the Nationwide Series on Wednesday by ordering all teams using Toyota motors to squeeze down their horsepower before this weekend's race in Indianapolis.

Toyota has won 14 of 21 races this season in the Nationwide Series, and all but one of them came in a Camry fielded by Joe Gibbs Racing. The exception was JGR driver Kyle Busch's victory at Charlotte in May in a car fielded by Braun Racing.

NASCAR ordered all the Toyota motors to use a smaller restrictor that will knock down 15 horsepower in the motors.

NASCAR recently sent 10 different motors for testing, and found that David Reutimann's Toyota was the best with an estimated 3 percent horsepower advantage over the competition. JGR's No. 18 car -- which Busch drove to victory at Chicago right before the motors were tested -- was second.

Roush Fenway Racing's Nos. 16 and 17 Fords were next, followed by JGR's No. 20 car, which has won nine races with four different drivers this season.

JGR builds its own motors for its two Nationwide Series cars. The rest of the Toyota engines in that series and the Craftsman Truck Series come from Triad Racing Development, a Bill Davis-owned company that leases engines.

Toyota president Lee White did not immediately return a call for comment.

Technically, the new guidelines aren't directed solely at Toyota. But because the automaker is working with a brand new engine and has access to the latest technology, Toyota teams have gained an advantage over the manufacturers using older engine models.

If the other manufacturers should reach the stage Toyota is currently at, they would be subject to the horsepower guidelines NASCAR mandated Wednesday.

Chevrolet has been pushing to use its new engine in the Nationwide Series, and many believe that model is on par with the Toyota motors.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

not much of a Nascar fan, but havn't they done this for years?

restrictor plates, wings well hell everything on the car is measured to specs.

 

[mattymac]

why does everyone b!tch? Why dont the other teams step up their programs???

the 20 car has won 9 outta the 14 toyota victories, with 4 diffrent drivers and was 5th in the HP war????

if everyone would put the effort into making their programs better instead of trying to lower the bar for toyota, maybe they would be right there with em?

seems like thats been the american way lately.

 

[T-Bone]

why does everyone b!tch? Why dont the other teams step up their programs???

the 20 car has won 9 outta the 14 toyota victories, with 4 diffrent drivers and was 5th in the HP war????

if everyone would put the effort into making their programs better instead of trying to lower the bar for toyota, maybe they would be right there with em?

seems like thats been the american way lately.

Exactly.

 

[milehighassassin]

There are already restrictions in place for the other manufactures that prevent them from making this much power.

All they are doing is making Toyota play by the same rules.

 

[jsledder]

There are already restrictions in place for the other manufactures that prevent them from making this much power.

All they are doing is making Toyota play by the same rules.

Pretty sure they all get handed the same restrictor plate to use, now Toyota has to use a smaller one.

 

[PowderBrad]

its not THE SAME restictor plate. Different for how much power needs dropped off. Need less power dropped off, its a smaller one, need more of fits a bigger one.

Couple posts above said it all, just making Toyota play the same game. Personally, Im all for lessing the plates on the american cars and tehn they'll see what happens to toyota

When it comes to big power.....

 

[mattymac]

Pretty sure they all get handed the same restrictor plate to use, now Toyota has to use a smaller one.

I remember seeing all the drivers pick a #, nascar put all the restrictor plates into #'d slots into a box. They picked them at random by a lottery system.

theoretically all 100% the same plates picked totally at random.

 

[mattymac]

There are already restrictions in place for the other manufactures that prevent them from making this much power.

All they are doing is making Toyota play by the same rules.

Look at what happend in the trucks? Alot less rules and politics in the craftsman truck series. Toyota came in and in a few years were doing extremely well! So well that they drove out alot of drivers/teams out of the NCTS.


TRD told JGR that they are given unlimited funds to go race. We all know its not how fast you wanna go its how much you wanna spend.


I said it even before Daytona started that IF toyota doesnt win the championship they will have car(s) in the top 5 at the end of the year.


Notice on some auto manufactures comercials they advertise "now equal to toyota in reliability and customer satisfaction" They had to play catchup in the auto industry just like they are having to do in NASCAR but since there is a president/rule makers who can fudge the rules, lets try to get NASCAR to bend em instead of spending millions of dollars to catch Toyota.

 

[jsledder]

its not THE SAME restictor plate. Different for how much power needs dropped off. Need less power dropped off, its a smaller one, need more of fits a bigger one.

Couple posts above said it all, just making Toyota play the same game. Personally, Im all for lessing the plates on the american cars and tehn they'll see what happens to toyota

When it comes to big power.....

So do they dyno each motor before each race to see who needs what size plate??? I've seen the tech segments on the TV before and Larry Mac has said that all the teams are given a restrictor plate to use depending upon the track they are at and how much they want to slow the cars down. He has said the size, I don't recall what it is and it is irrevelant, but I don't recall him mentioning that the size is dependant on the motor.

I don't think Toy would have a chance in the "big power" world, and I'm all for making sure they don't have an advantage over the others, set the boundaries and make sure every one stays within them.

 

[T-Bone]

If everyone is supposed to be equal, why doesn't nascar just issue engines to all the teams. Nascar is turning more and more into IROC everyday.

 

[jsledder]

If everyone is supposed to be equal, why doesn't nascar just issue engines to all the teams. Nascar is turning more and more into IROC everyday.

Basically.

 

[mattymac]

If everyone is supposed to be equal, why doesn't nascar just issue engines to all the teams. Nascar is turning more and more into IROC everyday.

yeah lots really high ratings and a huge fan base in IROC

 

[trikerider]

Go here: http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/bg/07/23/engine.rule.amendment/index.html

The Chevy girls were *****ing.

 

[SAWYER]

I've never watched one race so i won't put in my .02

 

[onlyrotax]

NASCAR, some of the best "scripted" racing there is.

 

[XC700116]

As I have a good friend that owns an ARCA/Pro Cup team I know a little about this subject.

NASCAR is basing the decision and the competitions main gripe is based on the fact that there is a long process that engines have to go through before being "certified" for competition. Not individual engines mind you but engine designs. Chevy and Dodge both have new designs currently in the certification process and until they are done they cannot run them. Toyotas are the newest and most recent design in the series right now. Most likely the restrictions will be lifted once the new Dodge and Chevy motors are "certified" and in turn the new Dodge and Chevy motors will fall into the HP limitation in the rules.

Just like in the early 70's when they oulawed the Hemi. It's all about keeping a level playing field and trying to keep the competition in the series. Not saying that I do or don't like it but it's part of the game.

 

[Powderboy]

Nascar, WWF its all good. Enjoy the show!

 

[Long Gone]

I say remove more rules rather than create more. Why do they all have to run the same gears in the tranny and rear end? Let them blow the motor if they want. There are more dumb rules just like that one.