tough to believe

[CO Powder]

Ok, to expect a rider to go through this is ludicrous. Not to mention very few would do it. Letting a liquid cooled sled warm up is necessary, yes, but if this procedure is required to keep an AXYS from cold seizing then Polaris better figure out a way to keep riders from doing something different.

sled_guy

Happens on every brand that I am aware of. The Ski Doo dealer sent my friend out on his new sled, no tools, no extra plugs, don't need them on these new FI sleds they say. Oh, except for that reflash we didn't do. Ever try to change plugs on an etech with no tools? Could have turned into a life or death had he been alone when that pig fouled out 15 miles from the truck.


We do not know if it seized up. I do think that wasn't maybe enough warm up and care on a brand new machine. I don't care what you think is appropriate as far as the maint on my sled is concerned. I am thorough on my machine because I count on it. You can put your faith in the dealer and manufacturer, we should be able to but, a broken sled where I ride is a bad deal. I accept this takes some extra effort on my part. Like everything in life though, you get out what you put in. Suggesting Polaris make it idiot proof is NOT what I want from them. I LIKE that the Axys pushes the envelope. It would be like expecting your Ferrari to have Toyota operating costs. Good Luck


My guess is, Polaris will fix it and the OP will end up loving the sled.

 

[IQRIDR]

Check the connectors inside that bundle, zip tie them and I bet it starts and runs. Already seen this many times on the Axys. Simple fix.

 

[05900]

i'll either get the dealer to take it back, or sell it..dependable covers a lot of other shortcomings...damm

. . where's it listed?

 

[snowmobiler]

. . where's it listed?

post your offer here.LOL

 

[goforbroke]

Ok, to expect a rider to go through this is ludicrous. Not to mention very few would do it. Letting a liquid cooled sled warm up is necessary, yes, but if this procedure is required to keep an AXYS from cold seizing then Polaris better figure out a way to keep riders from doing something different.

sled_guy

Totally agree with you sled guy. I have a couple pros and an Axys. I'll start and run for a minute and ease it out of the trailer and then warm up to 120. to suggest this is likely a cold seize is a bunch of crap.

 

[Solarguy]

We've had exactly the opposite experiences, haven't had hardly a hiccup with our Polaris sleds. Hope you'll give it a chance, they really are a blast to ride. Sorry for your bad luck, law of averages I guess.

Wife and I on Polaris since 2011, have not missed a day of riding or been towed out. I am on a 16 AXYS and 300 miles with no issues...mountain riding....wot in deep snow, steep terrain and a steady diet of it on our sleds as we are retired and ride regularly throughout the West. I do know we have been lucky as friends had some issues on the 11-12's. Our group in W Montana is a dozen or so on Polaris's, ride after ride after ride with no problems.

 

[wellfed777]

slyrydr what happened ? follow up report please

don't leave us hanging

 

[Bcorn]

So what you are saying is that you didn't warm it up properly???


Started it and pulled it off the truck, hit the trail as soon as you saw 120? Hopefully not a cold seizure on a brand new engine....


I start it up and let it warm fully before doing anything else. Then pull it off the truck, shut it down and let it set while I get dressed. Start up again, let it warm to over 100 and gently ride for the first couple of miles before riding it hard.


I have bought a new Polaris each of the last three years and never missed a days riding because of the sled.

Right on brother!

 

[Uncle Bob]

Im sorry to hear your storey, its never fun but i think some of us are just cursed. For 25 years i blead green and rode cats, was the only one in my group. All others have migrated from what ever to pro, and a good buddy of mine who owns the local polaris dealer finally wore me down and i baught a axys this year. first day of first trip 0 miles on sled, back out of trailer in parking lot hit the botton to put it back in forward and you hear a cha-ching cha ching bang, kill it fast. grab the rope and its seized. pull a little harder and the rope pulls free. Recoil puked it guts. ended up pulling it off and gutting it, then finishing the day starting it with a strap. It wasnt a big deal, dealer took care of me and was almost worth it to see all these guys that blab about polaris stare at the ground and kick stones after it happened. and i should add as a heads up, there is one recoil bolt you will not get with any tool in your tool box without pulling the motor. i drilled a 1/2 hole in the bulkhead to allow access to this bolt. Hey polaris engineers, you honeycomb the bulk head anyway, you think you could make a hole line up with the bottom front bolt.

 

[slyrydr]

update

sled sat covered in back of truck for 4 days cause dealer was closed over the holiday....as stated in original post, 45 minutes of tinkering with a dealer who happened to be in parking lot, plus i have lots of sled experience myself....anyway, back to the dealer, and since the sled was now in the vicinity of a mechanic, it started right up....dealer is excellent, he said he would give me my money back, but wanted me to go out with the demo rides on my sled next week to see if we could duplicate event in the field...i agreed and he went totally thru sled, but found nothing concrete...he did call another dealer in area that had a sled returned for seemingly the same problem, that dealer found a corroded connection up by the handle bars, which mine didn't have..my dealer said go ahead and ride it and put a couple hundred miles or so on sled, and if i didn't want it for whatever reason, he would buy it back no questions asked...can't be more fair than that, i'm thinking...think i'll just take it back to where i tried to ride it the first day and give it another shot...

 

[snobyrd]

Im sorry to hear your storey, its never fun but i think some of us are just cursed. For 25 years i blead green and rode cats, was the only one in my group. All others have migrated from what ever to pro, and a good buddy of mine who owns the local polaris dealer finally wore me down and i baught a axys this year. first day of first trip 0 miles on sled, back out of trailer in parking lot hit the botton to put it back in forward and you hear a cha-ching cha ching bang, kill it fast. grab the rope and its seized. pull a little harder and the rope pulls free. Recoil puked it guts. ended up pulling it off and gutting it, then finishing the day starting it with a strap. It wasnt a big deal, dealer took care of me and was almost worth it to see all these guys that blab about polaris stare at the ground and kick stones after it happened. and i should add as a heads up, there is one recoil bolt you will not get with any tool in your tool box without pulling the motor. i drilled a 1/2 hole in the bulkhead to allow access to this bolt. Hey polaris engineers, you honeycomb the bulk head anyway, you think you could make a hole line up with the bottom front bolt.

I drilled the same hole on my 13 pro, best to pull the bolt cause its not needed. I always removed those boltson my cats as well.
I bled green since 92 till 12 than bought a pro 13, i was tired of fixing my cats, ive got a graveyard of clutches. My son bought a 13 cat and that was a sled from hell,cost of ownership was probably half the cost of the whole sled, hes on a axys now and is estatic, just add gas and oil.

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

I drilled the same hole on my 13 pro, best to pull the bolt cause its not needed. I always removed those boltson my cats as well.

I bled green since 92 till 12 than bought a pro 13, i was tired of fixing my cats, ive got a graveyard of clutches. My son bought a 13 cat and that was a sled from hell,cost of ownership was probably half the cost of the whole sled, hes on a axys now and is estatic, just add gas and oil.

Take out the two motor mount bolts on that side.
Tip the motor back and a cordless impact with a straight bit removes the recoil bolts.
Standard procedure.


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[AZ800]

So what you are saying is that you didn't warm it up properly???


Started it and pulled it off the truck, hit the trail as soon as you saw 120? Hopefully not a cold seizure on a brand new engine....


I start it up and let it warm fully before doing anything else. Then pull it off the truck, shut it down and let it set while I get dressed. Start up again, let it warm to over 100 and gently ride for the first couple of miles before riding it hard.


I have bought a new Polaris each of the last three years and never missed a days riding because of the sled.

Lol! How many times you warm up your sled and shut it down before riding?
Do this everytime you stop for a beer or sammich with your buddies too?
"Hey guys wait up, need to heat cycle my engine twice before I light er up.....I'll catch you back at the truck tonight, or maybe you could come back by in 20 min. Should be ready to hit er then!"
Guy didn't say he got to the trailhead and taped it to the bars. Maybe he did? Sounded like he was just burping it around the parking lot thou.
I agree sled needs warmed up, but twice?

 

[Uncle Bob]

Take out the two motor mount bolts on that side.
Tip the motor back and a cordless impact with a straight bit removes the recoil bolts.
Standard procedure.


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so basically two bolts and two springs from pulling the motor, i was thinking more for ease of field fixing, but i can see how this would work in the shop just fine

 

[xmk1080]

Lol! How many times you warm up your sled and shut it down before riding?
Do this everytime you stop for a beer or sammich with your buddies too?
"Hey guys wait up, need to heat cycle my engine twice before I light er up.....I'll catch you back at the truck tonight, or maybe you could come back by in 20 min. Should be ready to hit er then!"
Guy didn't say he got to the trailhead and taped it to the bars. Maybe he did? Sounded like he was just burping it around the parking lot thou.
I agree sled needs warmed up, but twice?

He shuts the motor down after its warmed up to let it heat soak, It's a dam good idea and I do the same thing.

 

[Dootimes2]

He shuts the motor down after its warmed up to let it heat soak, It's a dam good idea and I do the same thing.

I end up doing the same thing. Not on purpose, but same thing. I have a heated and enclosed trailer so everything is around 60-70* by the time we get to parking lot. Start sleds and pull them out of trailer and let idle while getting ready. Takes long enough with checking oil, loading gear and hot doggers that I need to shut them down for the last couple minutes. Restart only needs maybe another minute or so as they are usually still at 90* +. Ease down trail for a few hundred yards and game on. Usually start for a minute or so before leaving after lunch and go. Only do this at beginning of day. Never lost a Motor or been towed out in several thousand miles. Maybe just lucky, but it works for me and whole process takes maybe 10 minutes while getting ready.

 

[CO Powder]

Lol! How many times you warm up your sled and shut it down before riding?
Do this everytime you stop for a beer or sammich with your buddies too?

Well, I definitely do not drink beer while I am riding... Normally I start it up, let the temp drop as the coolant circulates, watch for it to start coming back up and ride.

"Hey guys wait up, need to heat cycle my engine twice before I light er up.....I'll catch you back at the truck tonight, or maybe you could come back by in 20 min. Should be ready to hit er then!"

I am the guy that doesn't ever just start it and punch it... Don't know about the 20 minutes thing...

Guy didn't say he got to the trailhead and taped it to the bars. Maybe he did? Sounded like he was just burping it around the parking lot thou.
I agree sled needs warmed up, but twice?

Just sounded to me like it may not have been warmed up properly. You do realize that the coolant temp is not necessarily indicative of the temp of all the metal flying around inside right? Just as an example, my engine oil temp comes up much more slowly than the coolant temp in my truck. Oil temp is much more indicative of the actual engines temp. The heat soak is to give the parts time to take on the heat from the coolant.


You can choose to warm your sled up however you want. I do know that most people I see push their luck when it comes to warming up these high strung engines. I just chuckle at guys like you who think it isn't necessary. To each his own I guess.

 

[Highmarker]

The heat soak is to give the parts time to take on the heat from the coolant.

Really? So if all the "parts" are cold.....then what makes the coolant hot?

chicken or the egg?

The heat in the coolant comes from the cylinders / head.
so if coolant is hot, wouldn't the "parts" have to be hot as well?

A full warn up is a good idea however, to ensure that you get ALL of the coolant warmed. Not just the section behind your thermostat.

 

[snowmobiler]

skidoo....
When you first start the engine the digital dash reminds you that the machine is in warm-up mode and it limits rpm until the engine is up to temperature. Also if you leave the machine idling for too long the dash will start beeping and flashing “shutting-down.” If you don’t do anything the machine will turn itself off.

 

[cateye5312]

skidoo....
When you first start the engine the digital dash reminds you that the machine is in warm-up mode and it limits rpm until the engine is up to temperature. Also if you leave the machine idling for too long the dash will start beeping and flashing “shutting-down.” If you don’t do anything the machine will turn itself off.

Is that a new feature on the 2016 Axys?