Must've had the old Geolander's. But they were pretty good anyways. If you need something better on ice, sipe the Geolander's A/T-S or else look for a studded ice tire like a Cooper M+S. Geolander's are THE best all around. I trailered 4 sleds down to West Yellowstone, a five hour drive, on some of the worst ice conditions you could find, 2wd the whole way, driving the speed limit. He!! it even pushed the trailer around the parking lot in 2wd. Flat a$$ed impressed me for an A/T.