thinking of going poo. input from those who have spent time on xm and pro

[Jaynelson]

^ lol...are you for real?

 

[rmscustom]

I just spent 4 days riding a 2014 pro surrounded with 5 2014 doos. I posted my thoughts on a different forum. Long story short there not in the same league.
We all took turns over the week riding the pro to see if we could find any reason to buy the polaris for next year and not one guy in the group had and second thoughts about buying a poo for next year.
Polaris wins down the trail. After the trail is doo hands down.
All you have to really look at to realize what is going on in the innovation sledding world is doos new sleds are now touching the 15000 mark for pricing and in BC and Alberta there selling out every year. Polaris are offering rebates and are considerably cheaper to buy. One company can ask what they want and one company has to beat there pricing down to sell sleds. Polaris at this point I don't think we'll ever catch up to bombardier. Do just has to much technology innovation. heck they build 150 mph trains. Airplanes.
I personally have never seen anyone switch from a doo to a poo
I rode that pro for 4 days and hated it.

To prefer one or the other is understandable.

To think that any of the 3 aren't in the same league as another is an ignorant statement coming from either a extremely biased rider or one that lacks the skill to adjust to a different machine.

 

[Jaynelson]

By that logic, the 2012 M1100T must have been the best sled ever! Expensive as hell and people still bought them!

 

[Teth-Air]

Thx for you post, i'm having a really hard time to decide which one to order. I think i want the pro, but that 3" track is hard to turn down. I'm not one of those to bash brands so i'm open minded and just want something to ride

WOW, you want the Pro but you also want the 3 inch track? Stop right there because this is contradictory. The Pro's claim to fame is its light weight and maneuverability. You must understand that the maneuverability comes from being able to ride it like a dirt bike and to get this machine up on one ski is not done with T-motion, 36 inch wide front end or flex edge track. the Pro requires a stronger rider to initiate this OR counter steering and throttle input is required to SPIN the track and it comes right to the sweet spot. The 3 inch track is only going to throw you forward and reduce the necessary spin. Sure some will argue that the 3 inch track is the best thing they have done to a Pro but their style is different than what this chassis is best for. Another guy said it best, the Doo is like an ATV, it will go any where but not as fun as a dirt bike.

 

[Jaynelson]

WOW, you want the Pro but you also want the 3 inch track? Stop right there because this is contradictory. The Pro's claim to fame is its light weight and maneuverability. You must understand that the maneuverability comes from being able to ride it like a dirt bike and to get this machine up on one ski is not done with T-motion, 36 inch wide front end or flex edge track. the Pro requires a stronger rider to initiate this OR counter steering and throttle input is required to SPIN the track and it comes right to the sweet spot. The 3 inch track is only going to throw you forward and reduce the necessary spin. Sure some will argue that the 3 inch track is the best thing they have done to a Pro but their style is different than what this chassis is best for. Another guy said it best, the Doo is like an ATV, it will go any where but not as fun as a dirt bike.

Totally what I found with a 3" on a Pro. Instead of being able to spin the track and set in to a sidehill...the tendancy shifts toward the sled wanting to lunge forward across the hill. Sure you can ride it still....just takes away something from the sled's best attribute. JMO.

If your main focus is going fast straight up a hill and do little wheelies and stuff....this isn't an issue. And there's nothing wrong with that....you just need to buy the right sled and/or the right parts for how you like to ride.

 

[GoBigParts]

I ride in northern Michigan. Sometimes UP. Ive been trying to get out west but it never seems to pan out.

We ride the northern U.P. of Michigan as well. We ride out of a friends Second home up there. He has a nice pull barn full of sleds including an XM, Pros and Assaults. There is usually a couple of XP's and others XM's laying around as well.

What I find interesting is when we are out in the deep and the Ski-D00s and Poos are sitting next to each other the front ends on the doos sit lower like they plow through the snow than the polaris.

My buddy's XM usually sits in the Pole barn because he favors the Polaris sleds for the handling. The cool thing about spring checking is getting the warranty. I have a 2012 Pro and I still have one year left on my warranty. I have just over 4000 miles on it. It went in a year ago for a freshened up top end that was covered under warranty. That is it. The sled give me no issues. No bent tunnel either. I'm not sure where the bent tunnel rumor comes from but I have yet to see one. I did hit a large stump out west the first year I had it. As hard as I hit it you would have swore the entire bulkhead would have been scrap. It completely ripped the A-arm off. I purchased a new A-arm and installed it. Not one tweak to any metal or anything on the bulkhead or sled. They are strong.

The XM has a great motor and nice fit and finish but I'm not a big fan of how narrow the ski stance has to be or the t-motion device to make it handle more like a Pro.

 

[Covelli44]

Came off a 12 Pro and went to a 14 Doo. The only thing I didn't like about the Pro was the lack of power. Going to Doo solved that. However, I have not ridden a 14 Pro but I have heard from multiple riders who do own them and they agree the 12 was "under powered" compared to the 14's. With that being said I am very happy with the Doo, including the handling. I was very skeptical about the t motion and thought it was just a band aid instead of a fix but so far from my riding experience on it (about 2 weeks in CO), it has proven me wrong.

I did notice the Pro would get on to of the snow quicker but with the power the Doo seems to overcome that. Love the ease of the throttle on the etec along with the smooth power

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[BackCountryBob]

Just from my observations around here, riding with more pros than anything else... I've seen more S mod replacements that I can count on 2 hands, and I have yet to see a single pro with a bent tunnel (unless you count breaking that POS rear bumper a "tunnel" issue!!! ) Both are real issues, but the odds of the S mod costing you $$ are MUCH higher imo.


Around here the most common damage is from a ski hitting a rock under the snow, do that with a pro and you have a 15 min, couple hundred $$ job, installing new a arms. Do the same with an unbraced Doo (or pretty good odds even with braces) and you have a 12 hr job that will cost you $500+ without labor.

Around here we see this a LOT... but like I said, have yet to see a single bent tunnel.

If only the pro came with a motor installed... boy, that would make it a cool sled huh? (oh, and the TPS issues, OOOH... and all the other electrical issues...) I'm not saying the pro is great, I just find it funny that we could possibly compare something that is somewhat rare to something that doo guys look at as practically regular maintenance. Being the heaviest sled out there, the fact that it's this weak is pretty annoying to me. (of course, I just modded mine so I don't have to worry about it, like I would with any of the sleds)

There is an old school solution to reduce S module failures that we used on the REV nuns and that is to drill holes in the A arm so they would fold/bend
rather than transmitting the full force of the hit back to the nun. I think Alternative Impact does this as well as using mild steel rod ends with his Cro-moly arms.

Also, the POL Gripper skis are very flexy which help to reduce the force of a hit.

BCB

 

[snowmobiler]

I just drive around rocky snobumps.LOL

 

[backcountryislife]

There is an old school solution to reduce S module failures that we used on the REV nuns and that is to drill holes in the A arm so they would fold/bend
rather than transmitting the full force of the hit back to the nun. I think Alternative Impact does this as well as using mild steel rod ends with his Cro-moly arms.

Also, the POL Gripper skis are very flexy which help to reduce the force of a hit.

BCB

I run the racewerx bumper which braces the S mod, and run the Alt impact arms... I've taken two hits that took out rod ends (one was a rock, one I slammed a tree on a steep descent), SOOO nice replacing a $16 part, almost makes it kinda cool hitting a rock, knowing how much worse it would have been otherwise.

Btw, I also run grippers, and have no carbides, so the hardwelds slide over rocks better than carbide if you schmuck one under the snow.

Little things can make all the difference