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The HOUSE votes NO!!

You just thought it was YOUR portfolio. Your money is all gone. The balance your looking at on your 401K statement or any other investment account is just paper. Your actual money has been paying CEO’s 100 million dollar salaries for years. My grandpa was right. He always told me if your company is willing to match or contribute to your 401K it’s only because they want the use of your money and in the end greed will steal it all away from you. It was all just paper money anyway, it never was really yours, just had your name on it so you had to pay the tax.

Now look, the guys who spent everything they ever made and never saved a dime are going to get the last laugh. Just think, you could have been riding a custom $40K T-Apex for the past few years.
;););)






Seem's like the good guys always get screwed:mad:














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There is some good news to this:

1. Fuel prices fell again.

2. The Dollar did not lose value, which caused the fuel prices to fall, since it is still worth more than it would have been if this bailout happened.

3. Winter is closer...


That is all I have. 777 Points the DOW fell, this is going to be rougher than most people think. We have needed this recession for a long time. and deserve it.

Wreckless spending...
 
I'm glad it didn't pass. Why should we have to bail out these crooked sob's. The media is trying to scare the american people into thinking it needs to happen when it doesn't. That's why I live in this backwoods corner of north Idaho and don't watch all that bullchit. Don't have a dime in the stock market either cause I work my a$$ of for it so I think I'll keep it.
 
just a point about the bailout....it is sheer bs, no doubt about it, and it's not the american way.....and it just plain pisses me off...........however, i have several friends in the construction business, and they tell me it's extremely difficult to get any type of construction loan....as a result they are laying off even long time workers (don't mind the illegals, maybe they'll go home)....other friends say sales are down, and getting worse...you can say that you don't have money in the stock market and so therefore don't care....but it's the money people make there, save there etc. that makes this economy tic....if no one is making money, no one is spending it, and that means on businesses, jobs for everyone....don't think for a minute that this is only about golden parachutes, yachts, and high priced call girls....this is about everyone of us, each in its' own way....a non-liquid economy (no money or credit) has the potential drastically curtail everyones' lifestyle and expectations for a better life.....so as badly as i want to see some of these politicians, fancy snob big financial scyophants get doused severly with some of their own horse$hit, to do so would punish me and most of everyone worse....cause while they lose 30% or more and go tisk-tisk....we can lose homes, marriages due to economic stress, and watch decent life-styles degenerate into a desperate struggle to survive.....with that said, i think major government and financial institutions need to work together to solve this situation....and after the dust has settled a bit, get to work to understand what we went through so it doesn't happen again
 
I'm thinking this might be a good time to get INTO the stock market???? You know the Government isn't going to let MAE or Mac fold up, at $1.change, would it be stupid to think some money couldn't be had on this????

Funny how the media is twisting this up, yes, it's bad but how funny is it that it happens right before an election. Just wish I had a boat load of cash stuffed in my mattress......
 
I guess I offended the right person. I'm down to one greenie left. Boo fricken hoo coward!! At least I have an opinion that I share in the open forum not hiding behind your computer screen. The neg comment was "the white house rocks". WTF does that mean, and this guy probably votes that's sad.
 
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this is an interesting e-mail I got today, a good way to look at things.


I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a “We Deserve it Dividend”.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000
bona fide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife have $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage----housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans----what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college----it'll be there
Save in a bank---create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car----create jobs
Invest in the market ----capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance ----health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean----or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back… and of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of
trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being
proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every
adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG…

· Liquidate it.

· Sell off its parts.

· Let American General go back to being American General.

· Sell off the real estate.

· Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington
DC.

And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because
$25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

Kindest personal regards,

Birk

Some nitwit bimbo actually published this in the newspaper today thinking she was going to show off her inteligence.

I honestly didn't expect a no on the bill, I thought the dow would fall, and crude would go up.

Things are looking pretty good from my point of view. Looking forward to getting in on the ground floor of some foreclosures soon.
 
I like the quote about being greedy when others are fearful...
Might be a good time to sell off a few toys and put it into the market... we havnt hit bottome yet ( I think we are far from it) but in ten years I think todays $10k investment could equate to serious money...... question is if inflation will go just as fast.
 
just a point about the bailout....it is sheer bs, no doubt about it, and it's not the american way.....and it just plain pisses me off...........however, i have several friends in the construction business, and they tell me it's extremely difficult to get any type of construction loan....as a result they are laying off even long time workers (don't mind the illegals, maybe they'll go home)....other friends say sales are down, and getting worse...you can say that you don't have money in the stock market and so therefore don't care....but it's the money people make there, save there etc. that makes this economy tic....if no one is making money, no one is spending it, and that means on businesses, jobs for everyone....don't think for a minute that this is only about golden parachutes, yachts, and high priced call girls....this is about everyone of us, each in its' own way....a non-liquid economy (no money or credit) has the potential drastically curtail everyones' lifestyle and expectations for a better life.....so as badly as i want to see some of these politicians, fancy snob big financial scyophants get doused severly with some of their own horse$hit, to do so would punish me and most of everyone worse....cause while they lose 30% or more and go tisk-tisk....we can lose homes, marriages due to economic stress, and watch decent life-styles degenerate into a desperate struggle to survive.....with that said, i think major government and financial institutions need to work together to solve this situation....and after the dust has settled a bit, get to work to understand what we went through so it doesn't happen again








I think it is clear what happen the question I have is why did they LET it happen.

Well I kind of know that too, To many getting there pockets filled to care:mad:



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It's simple.
If the bailout had occured there would have been no down side. With the failure of the buyout the CEO's that drove the market to this point now have something to be worried about. There are a lot of companies that are going to go under and a lot of them deserve it.

What would have happened if the bailout had occured?
Nothing.
There would have been no change in the practices on wallstreet. If there is no downside there is nothing to stop the bad habbits that caused the problems to begin with. That is what wallstreet was hoping for. No change.

Too bad.
Let them eat it.
We needed this, bad.
Things will get better, with anyluck the dems will get some at least some of the blame for this mess.
 
It's simple.
If the bailout had occured there would have been no down side. With the failure of the buyout the CEO's that drove the market to this point now have something to be worried about. There are a lot of companies that are going to go under and a lot of them deserve it.

What would have happened if the bailout had occured?
Nothing.
There would have been no change in the practices on wallstreet. If there is no downside there is nothing to stop the bad habbits that caused the problems to begin with. That is what wallstreet was hoping for. No change.

Too bad.
Let them eat it.
We needed this, bad.
Things will get better, with anyluck the dems will get some at least some of the blame for this mess.

well said ollie.
 
The bailout will pass within a week. Hope an alternative surfaces first. There's nothing pretty about a recession...might hurt the fat cats but they won't starve like the rest of the public.
 
LOL!!! im glad it didnt happen !! and glad Mcain shot himself in the foot again ! what a tool ! i cant wait till thursday this should be funny !!! see if palin can handle the pressure LOL:eek:!!! ya right !!!
JMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mike:D
 
How come nobody is blaming the Shmuck that pulled in a solid 40k/year and thought he could afford a $400,000 house.

Lots of people screwed up, and it started with people buying things they knew they couldn't afford.
 
This may sound kinda awkward, but I look at money like a apple tree...... If I have just about all the apples on the tree, how many do you have?....a few! If I'm a rich person how much money do you have, little right? Same thing in the US, if there are now trillionaires and several billionaires in the US, how much money do you and I have?....Little!!....the rich have the vast majority (only so much $ in the US).

The big thing, which president do you think has the gutts to pull more apples from the trillionaires and billionaires and distribute that to the rest of the US for them to eat too. After all, there is only so much money in the US, just like apples on the tree.......just my opinion.
 
This may sound kinda awkward, but I look at money like a apple tree...... If I have just about all the apples on the tree, how many do you have?....a few! If I'm a rich person how much money do you have, little right? Same thing in the US, if there are now trillionaires and several billionaires in the US, how much money do you and I have?....Little!!....the rich have the vast majority (only so much $ in the US).

The big thing, which president do you think has the gutts to pull more apples from the trillionaires and billionaires and distribute that to the rest of the US for them to eat too. After all, there is only so much money in the US, just like apples on the tree.......just my opinion.



those are the 1%ers and we make up the other 99%!!!!!
 
LOL!!! im glad it didnt happen !! and glad Mcain shot himself in the foot again ! what a tool ! i cant wait till thursday this should be funny !!! see if palin can handle the pressure LOL:eek:!!! ya right !!!
JMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mike:D


Yea and Obama did nothing. Thursday is gonna be good, should be refreshing. I think you might be selling her short, well see. PS I too am glad it didn't happen. Go figure.
 
How come nobody is blaming the Shmuck that pulled in a solid 40k/year and thought he could afford a $400,000 house.

Lots of people screwed up, and it started with people buying things they knew they couldn't afford.

Agreed. Amazing what some people get themselves into with this real estate thing.
 
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